[MTVN]

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

what does not help is the UK Treasury sending out covert emails to Scottish journalists telling them about RBS etc

fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production.
81% of the untapped coal reserves.
62% of the timber production.
46% of the total forest area.
92% of the hydro electric production.
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production.
60% of the fish landings.
30% of the beef herd.
20% of the sheep herd.
9% of the dairy herd.
10% of the pig herd.
15% if the cereal holdings.
20% of the potato holdings.
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry.
13 billion pound food and drink industry.
10 billion pound business services industry.
9.3 billion pound chemical services industry.
A 9.3 billion pound tourism industry.
7 billion pound financial services industry.
5 billion pound aeroservice industry.
4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry.
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry.
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports.

We have 25% of Europe’s wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 Trillion pounds worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK’s population... Wow, Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying “I DON'T LIKE ALEX SALMOND” or “I DON'T LIKE SNP”...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DON'T LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK’s legacy of success in our history of being “better-together”...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world.

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union.

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world.

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU.

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU.

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU’s 28 countries.

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU.

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe.

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe.

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

Now, finally, did you also know that in ALL of the UK’s elections for Westminster that there has ever been, not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have NO DEMOCRACY here!!! 4 decades of Tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster’s Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was “let the markets decide”. Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a Trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of “let the markets decide”.

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn’t need or want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against Scotland’s wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out about the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (But its ok for the Clyde though).

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nation’s government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they’d be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they’d have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over Ł1.3 Trillion debt and still growing at nearly Ł6000 a second. That’s another Ł516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON'S DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

[JoshBB]

I think they will vote Yes, which is also what I am hoping for.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I think they will vote Yes, which is also what I am hoping for.

You Are Most Wise

[smudgie]

If it means I don't have to see Salmond and Sturgeon on my tv screens anymore then I pray for a yes vote.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I want a yes and then declare war on England and take it over using out nuclear weapons as a big stick

then we can enslave them and bleed the country dry

we could also sell their children to France as slaves and shut all the cinemas and bingo halls so they would have to stay in and listen to radio 4 as tv would also be shut down


that will learn them

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...

32% of the land area.
61% of the sea area.
90% of the fresh water.
65% of the natural gas production.
96.5% of the crude oil production.
47% of the open cast coal production.
81% of the untapped coal reserves.
62% of the timber production.
46% of the total forest area.
92% of the hydro electric production.
40% of the wind wave and solar energy production.
60% of the fish landings.
30% of the beef herd.
20% of the sheep herd.
9% of the dairy herd.
10% of the pig herd.
15% if the cereal holdings.
20% of the potato holdings.
...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whisky industry.

We have a...
17 billion pound construction industry.
13 billion pound food and drink industry.
10 billion pound business services industry.
9.3 billion pound chemical services industry.
A 9.3 billion pound tourism industry.
7 billion pound financial services industry.
5 billion pound aeroservice industry.
4.5 billion pound whisky exports industry.
3.1 billion pound life sciences industry.
Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports.

We have 25% of Europe’s wave and wind energy potential.

And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 Trillion pounds worth of oil and gas reserves.

All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK’s population... Wow, Scotland should be rich!

IGNORANCE...
If you hear anyone saying “I DON'T LIKE ALEX SALMOND” or “I DON'T LIKE SNP”...
THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP.
DON'T LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY.

Do you know... This is the UK’s legacy of success in our history of being “better-together”...

The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world.

The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union.

The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world.

The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU.

The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU.

The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU’s 28 countries.

The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU.

The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe.

The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe.

The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe.

The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet!

Now, finally, did you also know that in ALL of the UK’s elections for Westminster that there has ever been, not one vote cast in SCOTLAND has ever mattered! Because of the Westminster numbers, whatever government England votes for, the UK gets. So we have NO DEMOCRACY here!!! 4 decades of Tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster’s Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was “let the markets decide”. Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a Trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of “let the markets decide”.

FACTS:
Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn’t need or want!

Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against Scotland’s wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out about the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (But its ok for the Clyde though).

Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nation’s government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway!

Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone!

Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day!

Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they’d be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they’d have us believe?

Fact: Westminster has amassed over Ł1.3 Trillion debt and still growing at nearly Ł6000 a second. That’s another Ł516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for.

Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have.

SCOTLAND, WHAT ARE WE SCARED OF? WE HAVE A CHANCE... WITHOUT A SINGLE BULLET BEING FIRED, WITHOUT A SINGLE PERSON'S DEATH... TO GET OUR FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A CROSS IN THE YES BOX.

That is the single best post I have ever read on this website, in years of trawling through nonsense. Just superb. Informative, in depth, topical, great research, great passion, great timing, it had it all. I shall copy and paste this and show this to a few friends if thats ok. Where did you obtain and collate all this information. One thing's for sure I want whatever happens to be in th ebest interests of bonny scotland, possibly the greatest country on the planet!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

That is the single best post I have ever read on this website, in years of trawling through nonsense. Just superb. Informative, in depth, topical, great research, great passion, great timing, it had it all. I shall copy and paste this and show this to a few friends if thats ok. Where did you obtain and collate all this information. One thing's for sure I want whatever happens to be in th ebest interests of bonny scotland, possibly the greatest country on the planet!

Aren't you Welsh?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Aren't you Welsh?

no

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

no

Are you sure boyo?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Yes campaign haven't helped themselves by harassing any business which expresses worries about independence. Security, certainty, confidence etc. are everything to companies and a lot of them have legit concerns over the uncertainty of an independent Scotland especially when Salmond hasn't really given them much cause to be confident, instead they've been condemned as panicking, scaremongering etc. and some of the attacks from the Yes campaign have been pretty unpleasant.

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

The fictional tabloid ones.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[lily.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think it will be close but the Yes vote are jus going to swing it.....

Same.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

i was told something that is why i'm saying this.

but they only have nhs because they part of the UK

that is why someone told me

NHSS is NHS Scotland. It's already kinda independent of the rest of the NHS.

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I stole this from another forum


Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK’s population.
Remember this important figure... 8.3%.

But we DO have...

Lots of figures quoted, but without context they are meaningless unfortunately. Statistics and figures can be quoted to prove any point.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lots of figures quoted, but without context they are meaningless unfortunately. Statistics and figures can be quoted to prove any point.

And THAT is exactly why there's no way if winning an argument with a NO voter! They claim there's not enough facts and figures forthcoming, and when supplied with them, the claim they don't mean anything!

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fictional tabloid ones.

Not sure where in Scotland you are but where I am it's getting pretty bad.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Lee.

And THAT is exactly why there's no way if winning an argument with a NO voter! They claim there's not enough facts and figures forthcoming, and when supplied with them, the claim they don't mean anything!

Well of course you are going to say that being a yes voter Lee but then a no voter could say in reply that there's no way of winning an argument with a yes voter because the minute any viable info is used it's 'scaremongering' or 'bullying'

It's tit for tat.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Some of the attacks have been pretty unpleasant?? Which ones?

I'm not so much talking about individual attacks necessarily - though there are plenty of reports/anecdotes of those, obviously I don't live in Scotland so can't talk about personal experience though - it's more the general attitude of the Yes campaign. I find it funny how 'Better Together' gets criticised for not being 'positive' enough when the Yes campaign has consistently denigrated their opponents, dismissed legitimate concerns, and jumped on any businesses who dare to question the ramifications of independence.

Case in point: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a3bed228-3...#axzz3DZ9scdxR

Alex Salmond has called big companies “foolish” for taking part in what he claimed was a campaign of scaremongering against Scottish independence orchestrated by Downing Street.

If Salmond wants an independent Scotland to be successful then he should be reassuring businesses who are obviously worried about the uncertainty of independence, instead he sees everything as some scaremongering conspiracy conjured up in Westminster by Tory elites, it's becoming a very tired narrative.

[lostalex]

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

I fear that fear will probably win

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I still don't believe that this could actually happen. It's been fun to watch the campaigns, but i just can't imagine Scotland actually being a completely separate country.

I have thought on the same lines as you Lostalex,I do concede there has been a big shift as to the support to the 'yes' campaign.
I think you are right n your belief that it won't actually come about.

However,I was thinking a year ago that the result was likely to be a minimum 60% against independence at least and although I do believe the 'yes' camp have closed the gap.I am going to say I think it will still likely end up somewhere in the region of 55% 'no' and 45% 'yes'.

I also feel a need to say, while I applaud Alex Salmond for all his efforts all through.
This morning however I saw the best speech there has been that has been televised, and that came from Gordon Brown for the 'no' camp.

I really,really hope after this vote,if the Scots vote 'no',that they do get the promise fulfilled of more powers to them.
Would I however trust Cameron and co. on that one.
Not in a million years.

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's rioting over the weekend, people are getting really whipped up :/