[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Conversely I think the McCanns get more vitriol from the public directed at them because they are well off doctors. People go on about they got off on neglect charges from the authorities because of their class but I think they suffer worse from the general public perception because of it.

I think well hope, that most people feel the same for the parents of missing, murdered children irrespective of their background.

I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

And you don't feel a modicum of sympathy for the terrible result of their decision? I feel sorry for them, knowing that it was their actions that allowed some monster to take their child. It'd be bad enough in any case, but knowing they could have prevented it, the regret must torture them.

I haven't seen much hatred, or even much discussion, surrounding the person who took Maddie, only toward the McCanns, and I find that hard to fathom.

A lot of people don't believe she was taken Livia,and there is no proof she was.just sayin'.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I do think they got off neglect charges due to their class, however I don't feel the backlash is due to a class issue but the lack of accountability they faced due to the disappearance.

I agree,Kizzy,plus the fact,they didn't physically search for her,some questions unanswered by kate also conflicting stories by some,and their seemingly lack of sorrow as soon as she disappeared,I know people react differently but,I just know ther is no way I could have gone out jogging etc.I am sure I would have had to be sedated,I don't know what happened to her,but I am not sure she was abducted,there are just too many unanswered questions,it seems to be more a money making thing now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

A lot of people don't believe she was taken Livia,and there is no proof she was.just sayin'.

No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.

I still think she could easily have wondered off Kizzy.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No sign of a forced entry was there? So to say she was abducted is supposition at best.

There wouldn't need to be forced entry though - I thought they left the door unlocked?

[Kizzy]

Yep there are lots of scenarios that should be given as much thought as that theory for me, with all unsolved cases there's always going to be speculation and conspiracy theories flying about.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

There wouldn't need to be forced entry though - I thought they left the door unlocked?

That's what I meant, there was no sign of a forced entry as they left a door unlocked so there's no evidence there was ever an 'abductor' in the building.

[Niamh.]

On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

On the subject of forced entry, what exactly was the story with the "jemmied" window shutters? Didn't the McCanns claim that was the case but it was disproved after?

There are lots of references to the shutters here Niamh
It clearly implies that the last check was done at 9.15pm, before Kate discovered Madeleine missing at 10.00pm. This fits in with Gerry's check at 9.05pm but would appear to cast doubt on Matthew Oldfield's alleged check at 9.30pm.

3) She states how the window shutters which 'had been closed since we arrived on Saturday, were open along with the window'. This makes it even more remarkable that, on 6 separate occasions, members of the group walked past them and didn't see, or register, they were wide open and supposedly damaged. Jane Tanner walked past 3 times, Russell O'Brien walked past twice and Matthew Oldfield allegedly stood in the apartment , at the entrance to the room, and had a 'cursory' look inside. The window, behind the shutter, would almost certainly have needed to be forced or smashed to gain entry - there was no evidence of any forced entry anywhere in the apartment.

4) She states that the window shutters 'can be opened from the outside' but we know this to be incorrect. It is impossible to open the shutters from the outside. The shutters are made from heavy metal and are ratcheted so they can only be opened from the inside the apartment.

5) She continues: 'The door to the room was shut'. This clearly contradicts Kate's later story that the door had been open. Kate stated that she immediately knew there had been an abduction because, as she opened the patio doors, the door slammed shut when the wind whistled through the apartment.

6) She reaffirms the version of events reported in the immediate phone calls to Kate and Gerry's family/friends, that the 'abductor' entered through the window and escaped by the front door. Yet, we are now led to believe that the abductor entered through open patio doors and escaped by the window. How could she get this so wrong when she was actually there?

Ok, so she 'knew' there had been an abduction due to the open window, did the door slamming not disturb the twins?
Why did she then race back around to the bar without the twins to raise the alarm risking them being 'abducted' too?


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id31.html

[Niamh.]

Thanks Kizzy

[Toy Soldier]

It's really only the British press that have furthered the idea that the disappearance = abduction is "fact". All that is actually established fact is that she did indeed disappear.

In truth, they have no witnesses, no established motive, no suspects that haven't been ruled out, no pattern of other similar offences, and no established chain of events.

It's still a complete mystery what happened to her. I suspect it's one that may be slowly unravelled in 50 year's time and be shown in a historical documentary, when everyone involved is dead and buried either way.

[Brother Leon]

Terrible parenting and they should have lost their other kids.

[AnnieK]

I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.

[Gusto Brunt]

I wouldn't trust the McCanns as far as I could throw them.

But I wouldn't risk arrest and jail telling THEM what the rest of us already know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.

Yeah, definitely

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I actually don't think anyone will ever know what happened that night. Part of me hopes the McCanns did over sedate her because the alternative thought is too horrible to contemplate.

I'm afraid there is just a possibility that "poor Kate and Gerry" know exactly what happened. It is because of that suspicion they are getting all the Twitter hate. Not just because of child neglect.

I do wish they would search around the golf course that Gerry spent a few hours at, a few days after Maddie went missing. We know, with absolute certainty, he didn't play golf but he has never offered an explanation why he went there. There could be an innocent reason, of course................ but it is a bit odd.

I sincerely wish Kate would answer the 48 questions put to her by the Portuguese police:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...se-police.html

At the very least the British police should have asked her these questions. No. 41 is rather curious: not the sort of question you'd ask unless you had some prior knowledge?

I have read extensively about this case and I've concluded Maddie was actually a rather difficult child and, I'm very sad to say, I don't think she was loved as much as her parents would have us believe.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FIFo9gw7

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Internet troll who targeted McCanns found dead in hotel room days after fleeing home when she was revealed to be behind online campaign of vitriol

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FIFo9gw7

The tabloid rags that plastered this woman's face all over their front covers are guilty of causing her death. Simple as that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The tabloid rags that plastered this woman's face all over their front covers are guilty of causing her death. Simple as that.

Have to agree.

[kirklancaster]

I passionately condemned on here, the internet trolling and hate campaign against the McCanns, and I still do not agree with it, but I must admit, after reading certain posts on here, following certain links on here, and following up with further reading, I am now not so certain as I was that the McCanns are innocent in all this. I just don't know now.

[Ammi]

..I'm presuming that she killed herself/terribly sad...but thinking about the 'meaning of life'/thread..it's also terribly sad that she spent so much of her life 'hating', life is too short and hate is just a pointless energy..the person it hurts most is yourself/it's like a pebble skimming the water and the ripples of hate just grow and grow and consume...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm presuming that she killed herself/terribly sad...but thinking about the 'meaning of life'/thread..it's also terribly sad that she spent so much of her life 'hating', life is too short and hate is just a pointless energy..the person it hurts most is yourself/it's like a pebble skimming the water and the ripples of hate just grow and grow and consume...

yes



I thought when I viewed Martin Brunt catching her outside he home
on SkyNewsHD
she would get trouble.
Brunt is like a Copper
so good at his job.



http://news.sky.com/story/1347948/mc...een-found-dead

[Ammi]

..he isn't good at his job though, is he...where was the value of what he did for her or her family or even for the McCanns...there are thousands of 'internet trolls' out there saying very hateful things, why should she be singled out, he very much holds some responsibility for this tragedy...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..he isn't good at his job though, is he...where was the value of what he did for her or her family or even for the McCanns...there are thousands of 'internet trolls' out there saying very hateful things, why should she be singled out, he very much holds some responsibility for this tragedy...

He is as we got got to see the Guilty Face
of a Church women who is a troll.

She was Located first.


The fact she topped herself is
down to her own private problem
of being Found Out
Live