[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

He was either dead or knocked unconsious both are bang out of order

Had that been in The UK the thug who attacked him would be spending alot of time in prison

I don't think it was bang out of order at all.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I don't think it was bang out of order at all.

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So you support thugs?

That man is a disgrace tbh

Nobody has the right to do something like that over a throw away comment (if it was even said)

Also it did looked staged as why was there a camera showing the attack?

And how did the person know what was said in the shop?

Finally, the guy kicking the life out of the guy on the ground and then mincing around with a handbag several times, really ..

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

If he wasnt threatened why didnt he hit him in the shop?

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by adamski94

If he wasnt threatened why didnt he hit him in the shop?

What shop are you even talking about? There is no shop. I also find it amusing that that's all you've taken from my post.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Glenn

What shop are you even talking about? There is no shop. I also find it amusing that that's all you've taken from my post.

Not the shop the Subway.

I find it disgraceful people are think that thug was in the right

[Good King Glennceslas]

Oh well. We can't all agree can we.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Oh well. We can't all agree can we.

Have a fight?

[Good King Glennceslas]

I'd win

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Glenn

I support people standing up for themselves. If he felt threatened by the homophobe he had every right to defend himself, regardless of whether it was a 'throwaway' comment or not. It's ok for thugs and morons to go around throwing homophobic slurs?

It looked like the fight had been going on a while hence why someone was filming.

I totally 1,000% agree with you Glenn.

We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."


This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor.

If it transpired that such was NOT the case, then obviously our comments would accordingly, not be the same as they are now. But why should we SECOND GUESS when the premise that the beaten man was the initial AGRESSOR and the gay guy was only reacting, is so clearly defined?

Now that's out of the way, we can come to the fight itself.

Because it was NOT filmed from the start, we DON'T KNOW for definite whether the beaten bully actually threw the first punches do we? NO, we don't.

All I know, is that there has been a creeping propensity in this crazy fecked up country to REWARD the perpetrators and actually PUNISH the victims, and this is no different.

The farmer who shot the turd who repeatedly burgled him GOES TO JAIL.

Innocent Jews going about their lawful business are attacked by racist mindless morons, and murdered in cold blood by Islamic terrorists and the cries go up; "Ooh, I hope this doesn't end up in the poor Muslim's being blamed" without one word of sympathy for the real victims.

Husbands out for the night with their wives end up fighting with ignorant drunken bastards who indecently put their hands on his wife, and because the husband turns out to be the 'better' fighter, he GOES TO COURT.

I'm sorry, but if the premise is correct, then I have zilch sympathy for the beaten loud-mouthed yob, only for the gay guy who was drawn into violence which he would not have been drawn into had he been left alone.

We all have a personal space all around us, and no one has the right to invade that space unless invited and welcomed. There are too many ignorant, bullying yobs in the world getting away with their offensive, anti-social and moronic bullying tactics, and I applaud anyone who stands up for his rights against them - unconditionally.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Quite admirable, but your choice of reaction does not automatically render someonme elses as wrong. Who knows if this gay guy had not suffered a lifetime of being bullied because of his own very personal sexuality? Who knows whether he had previously been badly beaten by a gang of fascist homophobic brain-deads, or even hospitalised by such when hopelessly outnumbered?

The simple inescapable truth is; that had the obnoxious bully kept his big mouth shut and lived and let live, he would not have had his ass whupped.

If only every schoolkid who right at this moment is suffering bullying could 'turn' and comprehensively whup their tormentors. If only every battered wife could do the same. If only every innocent Jew who is being spat on or abused for no other reason than he is a Jew could retaliate and whup their bullying fascist abusers.

If only.

I won't lose one moment's sleep over this bullies come-uppance - nor shed one crocodile tear.

Yes, the gay guy might have 'gone too far' but he wouldn't have 'gone' at all would he? if the obnoxious bully had not invaded his personal space and left him alone.

Well, that's a nice hypothetical, am I the only person who sees this vid from the point where the guy is actually being attacked? I haven't seen what happened before.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well, that's a nice hypothetical, am I the only person who sees this vid from the point where the guy is actually being attacked? I haven't seen what happened before.

You obviously did not read or did not understand my other post a few posts up from this one, so I will repost part of it:

"We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."

This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor."


Not so 'hypothetical' now is it?

[Liam-]

The humiliation of being beat up by a gay guy and then seeing him sashaying away with his handbag will surely be enough to make the guy think twice about being a dick again.

A job well done.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

The humiliation of being beat up by a gay guy and then seeing him sashaying away with his handbag will surely be enough to make the guy think twice about being a dick again.

A job well done.

[2]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You obviously did not read or did not understand my other post a few posts up from this one, so I will repost part of it:

"We can only comment based on the premise of LT's Thread Title; "The Gays Are Fighting Back", which definitely implies that the gay guy was REACTING not ACTING.

Similarly, the preamble of the linked footage DEFINITELY STATES that the bully STARTED on the gay guy without reason and the gay guy REACTED;

"Man, insults Gay and get beat on the subway"
"A man insulted a gay, in the subway, and was beaten .."

This being the FACTS, we are justified in working from the premise that the gay guy was minding his own business and that the beaten guy was the loud-mouthed offensive aggressor."


Not so 'hypothetical' now is it?

yes it is... I would like to see for myself to decide what led to this imo overreaction, I don't like being led by the nose.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Well you can't so deal with it tbh

[ChristmasNeeve]

That looks really brutal. I hope that guy was arrested afterwards. (unless of course it's a set up)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Well you can't so deal with it tbh

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That looks really brutal. I hope that guy was arrested afterwards. (unless of course it's a set up)

This. I can't believe people are defending someone who kicked a guy when he was on the floor, clearly not fighting back.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Look horrific but surely its a set up.....not one person around them really reacted and I can't believe no-one would step in and help the person on the floor.....unless there was some serious justification for it that we didn't see.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Look horrific but surely its a set up.....not one person around them really reacted and I can't believe no-one would step in and help the person on the floor.....unless there was some serious justification for it that we didn't see.

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

We can only comment based upon the facts at hand Annie, and that evidence suggests the guy on the floor started the trouble.

The fact no one got involved is no surprise to me though, because I have been in the city centre when a big football match had just ended and the shops were locking shoppers inside because hundreds of idiots were running amok having pitched battles in the street. I was shopping with my wife and saw about 6 or 7 yobs start beating and kicking the hell out of one kid who was about 15 years old, who was on his own and not even a football fan, and was doing nothing wrong. A couple of those punching and kicking him were blokes in their 30's the idiot bastards.

There were lots of people including grown men who could have intercepted but no one did - except muppet here. I ended up bloodied myself but did beat them off and I rescued the poor kid and kept him with us until the trouble had passed.

Most people do not want to get involved these days Annie, it's a sad fact.

Back to the topic; yes the gay guy went too far, but I still maintain that from the evidence available he did not start the trouble.

Yeah I get what you're saying Kirk....but no one even moved. I've seen trouble (hey I live in manchester and was brought up in Salford so loads) and whilst I agree that not many will intervene, it will make people nearby love along so as not to look like they're not helping....but no one seems to bat an eye lid. Just screams set up to me

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yeah I get what you're saying Kirk....but no one even moved. I've seen trouble (hey I live in manchester and was brought up in Salford so loads) and whilst I agree that not many will intervene, it will make people nearby love along so as not to look like they're not helping....but no one seems to bat an eye lid. Just screams set up to me

Salford I've had some good nights out in Salford and Middleton when I was younger. I can't remember any of the names of the pubs (vividly remember a Working Man's Club) but yeah, they weren't 'tea at the ritz' nights out. My mate lived in Middleton and his cousins lived in Salford.

Happy days.

Maybe you're right about the video, but I guess we'll never know.

[VanessaFeltz.]

He got what he deserved, vile homophobic waste of space bully.