[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I watch all the news programmes arista,I just don't arrive at the same conclusions as you do, either towards the Conservatives who in your eyes appear to mainly do everything right and Labour who can do no right where you are concerned.

I am always happy to listen to, watch and analyse whatever Conservatives say as I do with Labour too and then form an opinion on the whole overall picture rather than have a pre-conceived one although I am looking to hopefully hear of ideas and policies that I can support.

Quite frankly a perfect Saint could be leading Labour but MPs like Diane Abbott still would find fault,she has rarely toed the party line as to anything.

Although I do have to agree with MTVN,she is much better on the 'this week' programme when on with Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill.

I think Labour is pretty much united on its main policies as best as any party can be, you can never carry the whole party with you all the time.
However I would rather see any differences aired rather than be cowardly held back like the Conservatives and Lib Dems MPs and workers are doing as to their leaders.

Then you will know its more than just
Diane Abbott

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Then you will know its more than just
Diane Abbott

Indeed it is.
However it doesn't show labour is disunited as to the policies it has in the main, it is about a mug,a badly thought out one but not the crime of the century by any means.

[Kizzy]

“Labour will legislate for a new principle: if you are working regularly, you have legal right to a regular contract. We will give working people more control of their working lives, we’re going to put an end to exploitative zero-hours contracts.

“The next Labour government will ban zero-hour contracts for employees who are in practice working regular hours. This absolute new legal right to a regular contract will apply to workers after just 12 weeks.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...after-3-months


This is why they should win, security and stability, what every employee deserves.

[the truth]

shes always an ignoramous.
as for immigration, its one of the least important issues to me
though I live in a less populated part so it affects me slightly less either way
my main beef is nothing to do with immigration at all, its the state of this country that bothers me and the behaviour of the people.
I have to say too im more bothered by cover ups in the local government and public services than anything else. the nhs the care homes the police even the schools no one gets sacked despite the masses of cruel abuse

[MTVN]

Good news for the Tories having over 100 business leaders sign a letter declaring their support for them

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Good news for the Tories having over 100 business leaders sign a letter declaring their support for them

Yes after the Labour Bloomberg gig
loads said they would not vote Labour.


They are Anti -Business
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ss-chiefs.html


http://news.sky.com/story/1456501/mo...rs-back-tories




They want to borrow extra money
to wreck us,
again

[joeysteele]

Hardly a surprise but will it really turn out as a boost for the Conservatives, 100 signatures from at least hundreds of thousands and likely millions of business men and women,I think likely not.
Any surprise that Karen Brady and other staunch Conservative supporters is among them. I think not.
Out of them, the whole 100, only 5 were at some time Labour supporters,once you change your politics,it is amazing how hard you turn on your previous loyalties.
I know, I used to be a Conservative supporter,now I will support any action against them, under this particular leader and the heartless cabinet he has chosen to have.

Business leaders who in the main have done really good out of this recession and the really hard times others have had to contend with,thanks to this govt;:
Ensuring they didn't get penailised like someone very ill has been,well no wonder a small proportion of them are happy to sign such a letter for a biased Conservative paper likely even prompted by the Conservative party too.

Imagine a paper printing a leter with signatures from Union leaders as to supporting labour policy, this would be derided in the media overall for the stunt it would be.
Imagine loads of signatures in a paper about the bedroom charge/tax.
Imagine the thousands of signatures there could be from senior people in the NHS too against this govt:


This I feel, could work against the Conservatives with many floating voters, many who are fed up now strongly of business always being protected in the main while the lower end gets kicked about all the time by this govt;

Business has to work with whatever govt; gets elected, it did for 13 years under the last Labour govt; and the banking sector and business too were glad that Labour did not let the banks go to the wall too when the crisis hit 'internationally'.

I for one, am not impressed with this letter,especially in the paper it is in, it is a paper known as the Daily Torygraph,rather then Telegraph.
This could say to voters, that this is a confimation that the Conservatives in govt; will always look after business to the detriment of the harder working lower elements in society and those most vulnerable too.

Whereas with Labour saying they will take action against exploitative zero hours contracts,well that will say more to the voters where they stand.
Odd this letter appears the day that Labour announce they will take action against exploitative zero hours contracts, could it be that some of those business signatories would hate to see that happen because of their continuing greed and disregard for their workers.

I wouldn't be worried if I was Labour about these 100 signatures, treat them like the celebrities that endorse parties too.
It got their names in the paper, however seeing business actually intervene in an election to try to manipulate voters,I think nowadays will not go down well with undecided voters.
No one likes being dictated to.

Seeing business in this tiny list of business people on this signed list or even greater, would not be a surprise to voters, or to workers and those most vulnerable who have seen businesses still rake in profits and those at the top of businees suffering virtually no hardship whatsoever, despite this govts; heartless austerity measures over the last 5 years.

No wonder these 100 signatories want more of the same, they have really done well out of this govt,despite the mass of the rest of the citizens suffering from in a moderate to severe way all through thsi parliament.

It reinforces the battleground in my view.
1)Support the Conservatives who support big business and help protect their endless gread and profits.
even to the detriment as to regular income for their workers.

2)Support Labour for a fairer way for business and workers,and make sure zero hours contracts can never likely be the same again for business to exploit people as to their lives and incomes.

From those 2 choices, I know which side I would rather support and it for sure aint the first one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lady called LBC from France this morning where they have a policy on zero hours there. I think she said after 6 weeks (or months) you have to offer full time employment.

So what they do is sack them and get new people or if they are really good i think she said they let them go and re-employ them

anyway she says its a joke and that she expected that to happen if labour tried it.

[arista]

Good Conservative Voters

Yes Labour is Anti Business

[Kizzy]

The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.
Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...olitical-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-wwii-says-ons

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.
Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...olitical-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...-wwii-says-ons

A Labour govt; could ruin the recovery they say,what short memories they all have.

It is this govt; that ruined a recovery in place and eroded the growth in place at that time too in 2010 when they took over.
For 3+ years afterwards we had virtually no recovery and no growth at all.

That is the track record of this govt; and I wouldn't be surprised to hear of this recovery and growth not being as good as is being depicted by the Conservatives and that after the election,we may even see again, a fallback for a time, especially when they set out on their savage cutting programme again,like they did last time.

Quite frankly I doubt after these last 5 years that people,(floating voters especially),will take very kindly to this 'intervention' and being dicated to by business in this way as to who to vote for.
The more the Conservatives are only seen as the party of the rich and powerful the better in my view,so bring it on.
It didn't succeed for Cameron in 2010 and I doubt it will in May now either, even moreso.

[the truth]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7674331]The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.

theres loads of labour donors too , including john Prescott who was celebrated as a hero by new labour members when he punched someone, yet Jeremy Clarkson was vilified
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.

neither labour or tories have done a thing for small business, they've done nothing in fact, rates are as crazy high as always and labour councils always have more car parking charges which damage small businesses....

there is also far more money spent on speed bumps , speed cameras in labour councils.....the downside of that is the enormous damage is does to the vehicles making them more dangerous and creating enormous congestion and ruining local economies....under labour though the gap between rich and poor grew bigger than for 200 years, thus exposing them as the fake charlatans they are.

Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

labour nor the tories have closed enough loop holes. but a profit is the target of all busiensses, ambition isn't wrong it should be encouraged, especially small businesses who are really struggling and offer personalised service
'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

labour can only hit back by getting 100s of businesses, small businesses to sign a petition too
The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

chukka is an idiot, hes never a straight question in his life. he should be more concerned with putting labours affairs in order and trying to figure out why they bankrupted the country again
The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

the economy needs to serve small business not huge corporate monopolies.
new labour privatised profits and socialized losses of corporate giants. that's simply disgusting immoral in every way. the tories have carried on. theyre as bad as each other in that regard. but new labour hammered the working man with endless stealth taxes, endless burocracy and redp tape and over 3000 new mostly petty laws....they didn't tax the rich any more until their last few months , gimmick politics to the end, shameful
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...olitical-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

that is interesting ill read more into that.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

again that's worth a read. I think their biggest failure has been in not over hauling totally the local governments and how they operate. particularly how they waste deliberately in order to ensure they get the same funding next tax year....this is simply insane...prudent councils should be rewarded not wasteful ones, the opposite is now the case...so we see the roads destroyed and waste everywhere
Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?

the tories have been lazy sloppy and complacent. as always they've been stuck in their Westminster bubble
Obama in America has built his economy better in many areas...hes hammered the bankers rightly but hes made enormous advacnces in the middle classes and huge advances in small business growth

THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ALL IS VAT....ITS A FCKING DISGUSTING VILE IMMORAL TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIABLE ENSLAVEMENT TAX....IT WAS MEANT TO BE A TAX ON LUXURY GOODS FOR THE RICH....BROUGHT IN BY LABOUR DOUBLED UNDER THATCHER NOW ITS 20%? THE IDIOTIC MILIBAND MISSES THE WHOLE POINT AND ASKS WILL YOU PROMOSE NOT TO RAISE VAT....WHY DIDNT HE ASK WILL YOU PROMISE TO DROP VAT? FOR ME HE LOST THE ELECTION IN THAT MOMENT.


where the tories are ahead is unemployment, gdp overall, inflation, Europe and the nhs.......the fact is they've exposed the enormous waste and corruption in the private sector which labour would always cover up to keep the unions in their pocket.id trust the tories with the nhs more than new labour.

miliband isn't the man frankly hes an idiot...which means tory coalition again

will new labour become labour by 2020 , goodness I hope so

[MTVN]

Well I think it's hard to quantify really how much our economy was recovering even if we were going into the election on the back of two or three quarters of tentative growth. Labour also love to remind people that 2007 saw a worldwide recession which was apparently none of their fault, if we allow for that we also have to allow for how volatile the global economy was in the early days of the Coalition. The government has had to steer through some incredibly choppy waters, particularly the Eurozone crisis really blew up from around when they came to power. Mistakes aplenty have been made by this government but the UK has come out the other side of the last few years of economic turmoil in a lot better shape than most of Europe.

[Kizzy]

I think the economists will have offset that, it does not however explain why they are lying about borrowing, massaging employment figures and inventing economic growth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do the other euro countries view the UK economy?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How do the other euro countries view the UK economy?

That is entirely irrelevant, it's our economy that's in discussion. One of the richest countries in the western world, where almost 1 million people currently rely on foodbanks, record amounts of children live in poverty, the worst since the 1920s.

'The Social Mobility and Child Poverty (SMCP) Commission today publishes its
assessment of the UK government’s draft child poverty strategy. The Commission’s assessment finds that 3.5 million children will be in absolute poverty- almost 5 times the number needed to meet the government’s legal obligation to end child poverty by 2020 - and that the government lacks any credible plan to get back on track.

The Commission concludes that the government’s draft child poverty strategy 2014 to 2017 is a missed opportunity and falls far short of what is needed. The Commission recognises there are some good things in the strategy - such as the extension of childcare support for low-income families and greater acknowledgement of the problem of working poverty than there was in the last strategy - but believes they will not be enough to prevent child poverty rising over the next few years, let alone to deliver the
large reductions in poverty needed to meet the 2020 targets.'

http://www.parliament.uk/business/pu...-a-short-guide

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is entirely irrelevant, it's our economy that's in discussion. One of the richest countries in the western world, where almost 1 million people currently rely on foodbanks, record amounts of children live in poverty, the worst since the 1920s.

'The Social Mobility and Child Poverty (SMCP) Commission today publishes its
assessment of the UK government’s draft child poverty strategy. The Commission’s assessment finds that 3.5 million children will be in absolute poverty- almost 5 times the number needed to meet the government’s legal obligation to end child poverty by 2020 - and that the government lacks any credible plan to get back on track.

The Commission concludes that the government’s draft child poverty strategy 2014 to 2017 is a missed opportunity and falls far short of what is needed. The Commission recognises there are some good things in the strategy - such as the extension of childcare support for low-income families and greater acknowledgement of the problem of working poverty than there was in the last strategy - but believes they will not be enough to prevent child poverty rising over the next few years, let alone to deliver the
large reductions in poverty needed to meet the 2020 targets.'

http://www.parliament.uk/business/pu...-a-short-guide

It is relevant as an independent view of another large country will be illuminating

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is relevant as an independent view of another large country will be illuminating

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

If the big ones like Germany all said yes the UK is doing really well I think people would take notice

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

Great. So you fully support the UK leaving the corrupt EU as soon as possible then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/news...labour-brexit/

"Britain has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and is creating jobs at a record pace. "


Interesting article and the video shows that CNN see the UK economy as on the right path

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/news...labour-brexit/

"Britain has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and is creating jobs at a record pace. "


Interesting article and the video shows that CNN see the UK economy as on the right path

Are CNN news UK economists now, what do they see that two thirds of our analysts don't?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are CNN news UK economists now, what do they see that two thirds of our analysts don't?

are they the analysts that did not see the financial crisis coming?

[Kizzy]

Did CNN predict the financial crisis?..
Anyhoo the thread is spinning off into the realms of fantasy here, as a UK resident I would not trust the conservatives to complete another term in government.

[Kizzy]

George Osborne is in Leeds today... I thought the sky had gone a bit black :/