[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Well said.

I'm not saying what the the Police man did wasn't wrong, but again, people haven't seen some of the drivers in the US. Especially in New York. I totally understand that some Police Officers are totally c u n t s, but as per usual, people will try and blow this up and make it so much worse than it actually is. Yes, you get the odd Police Officer who loves to give a power trip, but I'd much rather deal with the odd occasion than have to deal with a Police force who is too afraid to do anything for the fear of being shunned/hated/reported etc, etc.

good comment

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

good comment

So you agree that the Police Officer was in thwrong then? I knew you'd see sense eventually

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, if it was a "normal" citizen who'd had an outburst like this, they would probably be ordered to do some sort of anger management course. Looks like this cop could benefit from it

..I agree, anger management is something he should do and then take it from there to see if he is able to return to normal duties...I do agree with LT in that it's a very stressful job and then there may be personal stresses as well that built up right at that moment ..that isn't an excuse but maybe it's something that would never happen again with him and it was one of those one off things..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So you agree that the Police Officer was in thwrong then? I knew you'd see sense eventually

I dont know what type of day he had, perhaps he had just called around on a mother to tell her that her 5 year old daughter had been killed by a unlicensed and uninsured taxi car or to an old lady to tell her her husband of 50 years had been murdered. Maybe he had just watched a similar type taxi nearly wipe out a mum and 2 small children at a cross walk..

we will never know

what I do know is not to be judge and jury from a youtube clip

[Kizzy]

Well.. he's gone from an abuser to a saint in 3 pages.. :/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it's a little excessive that a man should lose his career from one outburst.

Maybe, maybe not... I can more or less guarantee that my job would be at serious risk if I spoke to someone like that and surely a police officer SHOULD be held to a higher standard than someone in a civilian job. I completely understand where the police force are coming from in their statement, to be honest. What he did makes it harder for good cops to do their job properly. His actions furthered the public impression that police officers are all on power trips and that they should be feared. This makes people not trust them, and makes it so much harder for the good, calm, respectful officers doing their jobs properly to gain anyone's trust too, and that surely makes all of their jobs harder every single day.

The thing that really says it all: the two in the back are backing the driver up when the guy goes away from the car,

Driver says "That's what I'm saying, to put his blinker on..."

Both guys in the back: "No, no, no, do not say anything, don't say anything, just Yes Sir, I'm Sorry Sir, and that's it."

They react straight away and make it very clear that the driver should absolutely not state his case, he should just apologize profusely and hope to god that the guy lets him go without the situation escalating further. They both have American accents, sound very much like New York citizens, and they absolutely do not trust that an NYPD police officer won't go bat**** and do something extreme if he doesn't throw himself to the ground and lick his boots.

Sums up the public perception of the police very well. Are all officers like that? No. So why do the public fear them? Because of arseholes like this guy throwing their weight around.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont know what type of day he had, perhaps he had just called around on a mother to tell her that her 5 year old daughter had been killed by a unlicensed and uninsured taxi car or to an old lady to tell her her husband of 50 years had been murdered. Maybe he had just watched a similar type taxi nearly wipe out a mum and 2 small children at a cross walk..

we will never know

what I do know is not to be judge and jury from a youtube clip

Maybe he had just seen an old lady getting knocked down by a car that pulled in to park without indicating and that's why he was so mad at the... Oh no, wait, it was him that did that.

Regardless, he is an officer of the law and he doesn't get to take out the horrific actions of random people on other people who had absolutely nothing to do with it. Not without facing some sort of disciplinary action. Should he lose his career? No, but I personally think a suspension and probably some sort of anger management / re-education on being respectful to members of the public would be entirely appropriate.

[Livia]

I still say it's a little excessive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I still say it's a little excessive.

I agree that losing his career would be excessive but I can't see anywhere that says that has happened?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The best thing to do is dont break the law, drive responsibly and you will never have to meet the police.

sorted

[Livia]

"The NYPD detective caught on video screaming at an Uber driver has lost his shield and gun and will be placed on administrative duty, police officials said Wednesday.

"The New York Post reported in addition to being stripped of his badge, Detective Patrick Cherry will be placed on modified duty before being transferred out of the Joint Terrorism Task Force."

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont know what type of day he had, perhaps he had just called around on a mother to tell her that her 5 year old daughter had been killed by a unlicensed and uninsured taxi car or to an old lady to tell her her husband of 50 years had been murdered. Maybe he had just watched a similar type taxi nearly wipe out a mum and 2 small children at a cross walk..

we will never know

what I do know is not to be judge and jury from a youtube clip

Maybe he had to tell someone that their son or daughter was in a car accident because someone never indicated before they turned off

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe, maybe not... I can more or less guarantee that my job would be at serious risk if I spoke to someone like that and surely a police officer SHOULD be held to a higher standard than someone in a civilian job. I completely understand where the police force are coming from in their statement, to be honest. What he did makes it harder for good cops to do their job properly. His actions furthered the public impression that police officers are all on power trips and that they should be feared. This makes people not trust them, and makes it so much harder for the good, calm, respectful officers doing their jobs properly to gain anyone's trust too, and that surely makes all of their jobs harder every single day.

The thing that really says it all: the two in the back are backing the driver up when the guy goes away from the car,

Driver says "That's what I'm saying, to put his blinker on..."

Both guys in the back: "No, no, no, do not say anything, don't say anything, just Yes Sir, I'm Sorry Sir, and that's it."

They react straight away and make it very clear that the driver should absolutely not state his case, he should just apologize profusely and hope to god that the guy lets him go without the situation escalating further. They both have American accents, sound very much like New York citizens, and they absolutely do not trust that an NYPD police officer won't go bat**** and do something extreme if he doesn't throw himself to the ground and lick his boots.

Sums up the public perception of the police very well. Are all officers like that? No. So why do the public fear them? Because of arseholes like this guy throwing their weight around.

Yup great post TS

[Kizzy]

You wouldn't expect anyone on a terrorism task force to display any behaviours that could be described as racist..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

"The NYPD detective caught on video screaming at an Uber driver has lost his shield and gun and will be placed on administrative duty, police officials said Wednesday.

"The New York Post reported in addition to being stripped of his badge, Detective Patrick Cherry will be placed on modified duty before being transferred out of the Joint Terrorism Task Force."

He's been put on desk duty, doesn't mean it's permanent though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

"The NYPD detective caught on video screaming at an Uber driver has lost his shield and gun and will be placed on administrative duty, police officials said Wednesday.

"The New York Post reported in addition to being stripped of his badge, Detective Patrick Cherry will be placed on modified duty before being transferred out of the Joint Terrorism Task Force."

He has not been dismissed from the job therefore he has not lost his career. He has damaged it, by having a standard of behaviour lower than what is expected of him. As anyone, in any career, might.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Niamh.]

That's a lovely story LT, not really on topic though No one is denying that there are lots of good and decent Police Officers. This is about a specific Police Officer and incident though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The best thing to do is dont break the law, drive responsibly and you will never have to meet the police.

sorted

It's pretty clear that the cop didn't indicate when he turned off and therefore he was actually driving irresponsibly, too. But I suppose he gets a free pass or an "oh but we have no proof he did anything" yadda yadda. So I'll pre emptively point out that we have no proof that the stopped driver did anything wrong, either. In fact we have three people saying that the cop didn't indicate, versus one saying the other driver was on the wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's pretty clear that the cop didn't indicate when he turned off and therefore he was actually driving irresponsibly, too. But I suppose he gets a free pass or an "oh but we have no proof he did anything" yadda yadda. So I'll pre emptively point out that we have no proof that the stopped driver did anything wrong, either. In fact we have three people saying that the cop didn't indicate, versus one saying the other driver was on the wrong.

I very much doubt the 2 fares in the rear seat were observing the traffic to make that call so can be ignored and i do not believe the perp either.

I will go with the cop here than the "taxidriver"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I very much doubt the 2 fares in the rear seat were observing the traffic to make that call so can be ignored and i do not believe the perp either.

I will go with the cop here than the "taxidriver"

They both specifically state the same thing, he didn't indicate. It's unambiguously bad driving. But I fully accept that you are biased.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They both specifically state the same thing, he didn't indicate. It's unambiguously bad driving. But I fully accept that you are biased.

I am on the side of the law and not people who drive badly and peep their horns a lot.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am on the side of the law and not people who drive badly and peep their horns a lot.

It's extremely annoying and dangerous to turn without indicating I would have beeped at him too. maybe he needs some driving lessons to go along with his anger management course

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am on the side of the law and not people who drive badly and peep their horns a lot.

Meh. His superiors in the NYPD thought what he did was serious enough warrant action. If you're on the side of the law you should respect their decision, and not be trying to act like you know better.

[Kizzy]

I agree, if the consensus is that it's common courtesy to put your blinkers on to indicate your intention then he has to take some responsibility for any confusion.