[the truth]

I agree with every word. new labour were all style and no substance. all front and no back. champagne socialists, sheep in wolves clothes. in the end their populist policies, banning of free speech, pandering to the workless masses to try and keep their vote,selling us out to Europe, bankrupting the economy, deregulating the banks, the endless council and nhs cover ups, the disastrous foreign policies, their dreadful tenure and immoral actions lead everyone to be worse off. they were a bunch of fascist dangerous clowns who couldn't run a market stall

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Doubt he is in the lead, maybe with some sections able to vote but not overall,there are a few sections eligible to vote.
He is probably going to do far better than many thought however.

The Telegraph and Social Media
is urging readers
to Pick J.C
and pay to join
Labour just to make him Win.



Sneaky Plan
to Kill Labour Off

[MTVN]

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not that sure it would be necessarily a bad thing.
No one has a clue what the UK will be like in 2020, Europe could be all over the place, the ISIS threat could really undermine govts of all Nations.

The UK could have voted to leave the EU and then Scotland could be baying for another independence referendum in light of that.

A greater constitutional chaos could be in place that would near eclipse any economic problems from 2010.

A whole new vision,as I said before, from someone who has a totally different view as to how the UK rebuilds after that and in light of what are the realities of the time, such as Corbyn, may just sweep a new mood as in decades past.
He is not my choice for Leader at all but I am not now that sure, he would be necessarily the wrong choice.
Especially with the likelihood of another extreme right wing leader of the Conservatives likely in Boris Johnson, George Osborne or if they were really mad the pathetic and useless Theresa May.

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:

Jeremy Corbyn’s candidacy presents a glaring paradox. He is by light years the best candidate, in that he actually believes in things and can articulate those beliefs in a way humanoid life forms can understand...Corbyn’s beliefs, on the other hand, have survived the passage of four decades intact, which is why he is by light years the worst candidate. Those beliefs are noble and sincere, but only about 17 people in this country share his faith in the command economy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10389228.html

I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Corbyn's vision isn't new at all though. I agree that the world could be moving into new territory but that's all the more reason why 1970s old Labour politics can't provide the solutions. Labour had this debate in the 70s and 80s - Corbyn would just be another Michael Foot. That said I don't think the other three candidates are up to that much either really and none of them are having much of an impact. Matthew Norman made a good point yesterday I think when he said:



I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn. If he does win the leadership contest - and I can't believe he'd win that either - then I think most Labour MPs really will be hoping that they can get rid of him within a couple of years and have a new face in before 2020.

I agree with most you say but there will be a whole new generation of voters from 2010 in 2010 who to them Corbyn could be the only one with a different message.
Anything different could easily attract if things go badly as to what I outlined before.

As I said, Corbyn is not my choice and I don't think he will win either,even if he was just ahead the 2nd preference votes will deny him that.

In politics however,the oddest things happen and 5 years is an eternity in politics.

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Tories react to the news that Corbyn has taken the lead

[James]

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

First and foremost a leader of any major party has to have the backing of its own MPs, so the leader can form policies, and put them to the public under the party name at elections.

Ed Milliband has left the Labour party with a pretty flawed system for voting a new leader which doesn't give MPs much of a say. They could end up with a leader who doesn't represent the views of his own MPs. Which could lead to a split with a new SDP being formed.

Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes just so long it Kills Labour for Good
we are happy at our workplace.

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Labour will never be killed off arista,not that I can see in my lifetime anyway,just as the Conservatives never will too.
Sorry to disappoint you, with the former just as I am a little disappointed with the latter.

We will see

[arista]

Corbyn is Real Labour


The other 3 are Tory Lite


What a fecking mess

[arista]

"I cannot believe that Labour would ever win an election under Corbyn."


Yes MTVN

thats why so many us
want him as their Leader.

[arista]

'Panic Time' For Labour As Corbyn Tops Poll

[Some 43% of Labour supporters would back left-wing MP Jeremy Corbyn
as the party's new leader, a YouGov poll suggests.
The results are a setback for Blairites as their candidate Liz Kendall
is trailing in last place on 11% when people were asked for their first preferences.
Bookies' favourite Andy Burnham was on 26% while the remaining
candidate Yvette Cooper was currently in third place on 20% in the poll, for The Times newspaper.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1523051/pa...rbyn-tops-poll

[waterhog]

come back tony

[arista]

Blair live on SkyNewsHD
is giving a speech in Central London
he just said I would not vote that far left
even if they won.


Joey Blair is Rotten Wood

[the truth]

corbyn WILL win now that lying warmonger blair has backed against him....what an arrogant tosser he truly is
its NOT a matter of simply left or right, that argument is for dumbos
its a matter of looking at each individual issue on merit
fundamentally corbyn does want some redistribution of wealth....he was ferociously anti Iraq war so his judgement was great there...if he is smart enough to see where labour totally failed then he may get my vote. some sectors need to be renationalised , water gas electrics for starters and british rail and the steel and coal industries. its a joke to think any company can afford to maintain the tens of billions of infrasturctures required....in gas water electrics there is NO FREE MARKET NO COMPETITON AT ALL THEYRE SIMPLY FULL BLOWN MONOPOLIES AND PRICE FIXING CARTELS....id also have the monopolies and mergers commission investigate BT. who are attempting to take over the free world

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

corbyn WILL win now that lying warmonger blair has backed against him....what an arrogant tosser he truly is
its NOT a matter of simply left or right, that argument is for dumbos
its a matter of looking at each individual issue on merit
fundamentally corbyn does want some redistribution of wealth....he was ferociously anti Iraq war so his judgement was great there...if he is smart enough to see where labour totally failed then he may get my vote. some sectors need to be renationalised , water gas electrics for starters and british rail and the steel and coal industries. its a joke to think any company can afford to maintain the tens of billions of infrasturctures required....in gas water electrics there is NO FREE MARKET NO COMPETITON AT ALL THEYRE SIMPLY FULL BLOWN MONOPOLIES AND PRICE FIXING CARTELS....id also have the monopolies and mergers commission investigate BT. who are attempting to take over the free world

I can't disagree with any of that. For me, Corbyn is the definition of optimism.

[joeysteele]

Well this battle has really come alive now for sure.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

That is a very good question.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't trust Corbyn. He seems to be pro-Hamas, would he be pro-Islamic so-called-State as well?

No and to be fair to all MPs of all parties, I would dare bet none would be pro Islamic State either.

As for Hamas,as was pointed out by Obama as to his engaging with Iran, he made the vital point,you don't make peace with your friends but your enemies.
Sometimes you do have to deal with and talk to people you would rather were on another planet, in order to make progress in some way.

My own view is Islamic State are beyond reason and I cannot see any govt or any MPs ever wanting to engage with them.

Jeremy Corbyn has been a serving MP for his constituents for 32 years so far,I think that just because his policies don't appeal to some hardline Conservatives,that doesn't make him a terrorist lover or someone who cannot recognise the pure evil that is Islamic State.

Short and selective memories from hardline Conservatives,in the 80s they branded Tony Benn MP a lunatic and dangerous politician for his views on the EU and saying the UK should be out.
Now it is an extreme right wing govt and from the right supporting voters who may in just over 2 years take the UK out of the EU now.

Odd how to some, if a policy is from the left it is madness and dangerous, once it becomes a policy of the right, then it is the only way to go.

I neither think he will be or want Jeremy Corbyn to lead the Labour party but sensationalist cheap shots fired at him,particularly from the right, actually make me warm to him more, due to their unjustified inferences.

Such comments make me personally glad I moved away from that 'right' leaning position as to politics too,really glad.