[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by BB6

I'm screaming at why people are still talking about her.

Her and Nikki have gone. They're history.

Move on.

wasteman-oh!!

or something stupid

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

Sure boo

[jet]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

why are people even engaging in this tbh? Like, Helen's behavior over both the course of this series and last series (and I'll throw in Marc's behavior too tbh; they really are two sides of the same coin) speaks for itself, and the few people who do like Helen will continue to do mental gymnastics to make it seem like she's permanently the victim who has done no wrong and how dare anyone do her wrong.

Exactly. It's amazingly difficult to comprehend why anyone could love Helen, but a small minority do, so that's that. As you say, why even engage? Majority rules, so let the few who admire her have her and good luck to them, they are welcome to her!

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

You try waaaay too hard.

As dies the cow in your avi every time she throws a fake tantrum for camera time.

[goldensunlight]

This thread is far more entertaining than the Helen/Brian argument itself.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

Well said Jack.

[Ammi]

...one thing I find so bad with all of this, is that it's so difficult to define 'bullying' as being a clear cut thing so in BB context it's just 'perceptions' etc...but one of the first 'clear cut' type things is whether someone feels bullied...and Brian isn't the first person to have felt bullied by Helen...it's also that thing with someone like Brian/that slight vulnerable part of him...and yes he does have balance with other parts of his personality and hasn't always been the best himself in the house...but he does have a vulnerability about him as well..so I think that bullying is called more easily because of that..as it was with Jale as well...but much less so with Ashleigh...because she often looked so miserable and could 'b*tch with the best of them' etc..so basically everything Helen said to her was just 'justifiable' stuff..I find that personally extremely disturbing as a message to be given out....that a bullied person has to have a 'victim' type personality for bullying to be called or percieved....

[bots]

I have a big problem with the legends and the legends week for several reasons. Firstly, they were not normal housemates, they were each paid a fee to bring a particular type of behaviour to the house - manufactured drama.

Secondly, the producers manufactured the conflict between the legends for ratings. It had nothing to do with the standard housemates, they hardly showed them at all over the 2 weeks they were there (with the exception of golden boy Marc)

Thirdly, BB knew exactly how the whole thing was going to pan out if they continued to put the legends in positions of conflict, and gave them tasks to deliberately ignite the flames.

Fourthly, BB could have intervened at any time to calm things down, like they have done throughout this series. The 2 noteable occasions they didn't intervene, Aaron ended up booted out and Helen trashed - even though Brian had behaved equally badly throughout his time there.

If situations happen naturally and someone behaves terribly, then yes, they deserve condemnation, but not when it is specifically manufactured to happen. In that case, the only people that deserve any blame whatsoever are the producers

[Denver]

They both left the house now so I honestly don't know why more threads are being made on it

[jegmeister]

she would have appreciated that interview from Emma. Instead of being biased as some on here claimed, Emma was being honest with her about her behaviour. I should have thought Helen would appreciate that.

Unless, as with everything with Helen, it only ever applies one way.

[JeanP!]

Oh my god. She is out of the house. Get over it
Even her haters cannot stop talking about Helen <3

[JeanP!]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Yes her saying that Brian looked like a rapist/murderer was an indefensible way to react to him shouting at her like that for the third time that week. No wonder people call her a villain!

She should not have sat there and said those words to him as he stood over her shouting; instead she should have followed Brian's example and acted exactly like him.

She should have stood up over Brian, pointed and screamed in his face, called him a 'vile human being', an energy sucking demon ('dementer'), said he was 'pure evil' and told him that he 'makes his money from being a scumbag' etc etc.

Not only that, she should have got so worked up as she shouted at him that she had to be physically restrained by the other HMs - just like Brian did for the third time that week.

Maybe she should have thrown her shoes and stormed off?

If only she had said and done ALL those things instead, exactly as Brian did - THEN she wouldn't have been called a villain at all. She would have been called a Hero, just like Brian was.

Brian showed us all how to behave that night. That's how heroes behave.

It's HILARIOUS as you say mate that people defend Helen in the face of such heroic behaviour from Brian. Brian's insults and shouting and pointing and physical intimidation are SOOOO much better than anything Helen ever said in retalliation aren't they????

+287338383

[ebandit]

well? i've been so happy to talk about helen 'cos finally she got what she deserved

.......there is no defence for so much that helen says.......supporters can only deflect

Mark L

[Jamie89]

I agree that Helens behaviour was absolutely awful but I think the reason people are generally more worked up over her comments are for two reasons. Firstly (and it's sad to say but) her antagonistic behaviour is something we've come to expect from big brother contestants, and especially where Helen is concerned it's nothing new. So as terrible as it is, it isn't really shocking.
Secondly, when she made her comments, I think they struck an emotional cord with people. I for one found it upsetting that not only would someone say those things to another person but also that there were no real repercussions for it.
It's not really a question of which was worse, her behaviour or comments. It isn't a competition, they were both awful. It's just that her comments were more shocking and unexpected in the context of what we're used to seeing on the show and so of course, would provoke more of a reaction from us.

[smudgie]

I wonder if she will get her job back behind the bar on BBOTS now.
Surely that will be very telling, if she does, then BB obviously condones her behaviour.

[jegmeister]

One thing you always get from Helen is a string of straw man arguments. She hopes that by flinging out accusations of bullying against others, it will deflect people away from her own behaviour. Fortunately, this time BB producers had the balls to challenge her properly on it. And about time too.

If Helen is honest as she claims, she would admit her own behaviour. She might say that she too wasn't happy and explain why. That is not the point. She can't pretend she didn't call Brian a rapist and murderer. She did and should have apologised properly if she was genuinely being honest.

Goading and baiting is just as bad as shouting and finger-pointing. In fact, in my view it's worse because it's calculated. We all lose our temper at times. It's a natural thing when we feel strongly about someone. But in a civilised society there are social limits. And Helen crossed that line in her behaviour by her goading. Brian's behaviour was uncomfortable to watch at times and he is far from perfect but that is not the same. And quite frankly only someone who is biased and completely unreasonable would not see this.

The bottom line is this why did she say "you're playing into my hands" if she was scared of him as she claims. Surely, the logical approach would be to avoid him and have nothing to do with him. It is a lie - pure and simple. She is not scared of him. She hates him. And her goading and baiting shows this.

And it is exactly the same with Nikki - Helen lied again by saying that she is fake. One thing that Nikki is not is a fake. She is a huge diva, an annoying pain at times and an idiot but she is who she is and is exactly the same as she has always been for all these years.

Helen's claims simply aren't backed up by the facts in any of these incidents. If a large number of the public think you're a bully, then we have 2 options. Either an outbreak of collective bias and hysteria has broken out and people are all lying for the sake of it (and all think Helen is wonderful) or just possibly it's because it's because most people can see that her behaviour is unacceptable. Most reasonable people would see that it must be the second option that applies here.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Helen saw he was angry and I don't blame him, he was being called horrific things.

She continued to try abd push him further abd tip him over the edge.

She then claims she was intimidated by him. I don't believe her, had she really been intimidated I doubt she would keep prodding.

he had been over the top angry for days before helen comment..and bitching calling helen and marc horrible things. I challenge you to produce examples of "horrible" thing helen said before her Murder/Rapist comment..and i'll easily out do them triple with Brian comments

[Stankleberry]

Originally Posted by Quasar

nothing more needs to be said. All assumptions to suit your agenda.

Charging at someone to the point where other people need to physically hold you back is insane, and if you're a large man doing it to a woman it's completely insane and would normally be deemed "unacceptable behavior", certainly. I guess some people get a free pass for some reason, huh. What could the reason be.

[Kazanne]

Nice to see Helen is still the topic of conversation on here,lol, Helen was a great housemate,she didn't bully anyone,she's not liked by some,Ah well,who really cares ? I enjoyed watching her,bit sick of people TRYING to force their opinions on people.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

This is troubling me too. I am feeling like I have little in common with many on the forum, you think to yourself how can people support this sort of thing. In the past I've enjoyed the mix of people and the banter but increasingly I feel quite disillusioned and separate.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This is troubling me too. I am feeling like I have little in common with many on the forum, you think to yourself how can people support this sort of thing. In the past I've enjoyed the mix of people and the banter but increasingly I feel quite disillusioned and separate.

I know just how you feel. I got to that point last year which is why I hardly bother to come here or post any more, and so many others have fled too.
The Helen enablers just wore them down, sadly.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It's usually vitriolic enough to be miserable year after year, but I have been honestly so appalled over the last few days at the reactions to this incident. I'm ashamed to be a part of a fan base of a programme that includes people who think such behaviour is justifiable. This show is the pits.

I agree Jack but look at all the Helen love and Marc love, two vile disgusting human beings but a clearer example is that Hazel was in the WRONG in many peoples eyes when it came to the incident with Daley. And in many of the other sexual encounters if they happen the woman is for the most part blamed. I try to live a good life and I have bad language the same as many other people but the comments that have come out of Marc's and more importantly HELENS mouth have disgusted me to the core. I assumed most people would agree but they don't. We just have to let everyone have their say on these forums and stick to what we believe in ourselves. Love your posts by the way

[ebandit]

............i'm sure that the majority too shake their head in disbelief

Mark L

[Kazanne]

Well I for one will support who I want and ignore the backhanded comments about how 'terrible' Helen supporters are ,I really don't care , people acting as though they have never done or said anything wrong is laughable , so you can hint at us all you want,I am not a sheep,I support Helen and proud to say so.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I support Helen and proud to say so.

Her latest in a long line of brainless twitter insults must have you near to bursting with glee and pride. I'm happy for you that your support for Helen enhances your life.