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Niamh. · 05-11-2015, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Some people don't agree with what Kirk posted. Fine. Doesn't take a whole bunch of you to let him know, does it? All getting bent out of shape because you don't agree... while in another part of the forum a fifteen year old has posted a thread "what type of porn do you prefer".

I can't speak for anyone else but for me, as an individual, I will comment if I disagree with a post a person makes in the debate section, I'm not linked to anyone else so I don't understand why you've lumped everyone who disagreed with Kirk together?

kirklancaster · 05-11-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Clearly your turd reference struck a chord and reminded Lime of schooldays in the times of apartheid, I can see why.

Who cares what you "can see"?

All this overreactionary opportunist axe-grinding is purely because I stated what I COULD SEE.

And I prefer the direct, real testimony of my own eyes than any second-hand professed testimony of yours.

Jamie89 · 05-11-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmmmmmmmm it's hardly a new concept, it's called racial profiling, and also, it's not like someone just came up with the idea of racial profiling out of nowhere: certain types of crimes are more likely to be carried out by certain demographics.

However, there are also VERY GOOD REASONS to avoid being tempted into using racial profiling. It's "shortcut logic" that can lead to devastating misconceptions and mistakes. In other words, there are well researched reasons that law enforcement agencies don't (or shouldn't) do it.

It also creates self-fulfilling prophecies. For example; in certain areas, young black men are far more likely than any other group to be carrying a blade. This lead to pretty widescale racial profiling for "random" stop and search practices by the police. Not only is this unfair, it also (for obvious reason) helps to create a pariah-culture amoungst that group, and ends up pushing more young people down the sort of route where they ARE more likely to be carrying a blade, reinforcing the stereotype, and seemingly justifying the profiling.

TL;DR - there's a very good reason, sometimes, not to share an assumption no matter how convinced of it you are - and even if it turns out to be an accurate assumption.

ALSO Kirk, I resent the implication in your post. Frankel is not a sex predator, that old fella's jizz is worth a fortune

I haven't really got anything useful to add to this debate that hasn't already been said, but I just wanted to say this is a fantastic post TS. Especially the paragraph about self-fulfilling prophecies. As a white british male I can't imagine what it's like to walk down the street and feel like people/the police are looking at me with suspicion, but I imagine that it would probably affect me negatively in some way.

Livia · 05-11-2015, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for anyone else but for me, as an individual, I will comment if I disagree with a post a person makes in the debate section, I'm not linked to anyone else so I don't understand why you've lumped everyone who disagreed with Kirk together?

Well, I opened this thread this morning and there are five or six people tearing Kirk a new one. I'm not sure how many more ways there are to say people don't agree and they think he's a racist. And everyone's assuming Kirk's a white Anglo-Saxon protestant. I hope everyone's right.

kirklancaster · 05-11-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

You might consider yourself as being non offensive .....but you are.It is clear from Aristas op that the offdener was either Arabic or mediteranin .Days later you want to claim that you and your mate had already decidced that this crime was carried out by a forgerins

Please excuse my english ...it's not my first language.....I'm one of those nasty forgerins you here about

Your words not mine - I was referring to nasty foreign criminals, of which this country is teeming.

Niamh. · 05-11-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamBB

I haven't really got anything useful to add to this debate that hasn't already been said, but I just wanted to say this is a fantastic post TS. Especially the paragraph about self-fulfilling prophecies. As a white british male I can't imagine what it's like to walk down the street and feel like people/the police are looking at me with suspicion, but I imagine that it would probably affect me negatively in some way.

Of course it would, it would automatically give you a distrust and dislike for the Police for a start

Niamh. · 05-11-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Well, I opened this thread this morning and there are five or six people tearing Kirk a new one. I'm not sure how many more ways there are to say people don't agree and they think he's a racist. And everyone's assuming Kirk's a white Anglo-Saxon protestant. I hope everyone's right.

Actually no one is assuming that Livia since he's said quite a few times that he's not

Livia · 05-11-2015, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually no one is assuming that Livia since he's said quite a few times that he's not

Yeah well, with respect, I think everyone's made their point in relation to Kirk's comments. The real villain of this thread is a foreign serial sex attacker who, when he's caught will probably not be deported because he's "made a life here".

lime · 05-11-2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Some people don't agree with what Kirk posted. Fine. Doesn't take a whole bunch of you to let him know, does it? All getting bent out of shape because you don't agree... while in another part of the forum a fifteen year old has posted a thread "what type of porn do you prefer".

Livia you know I am very fond of you.What Kirk posted was on a public disscusson forum where I am sure he knows his views will be talked about ..the same as mine or your own views.Trust me I am not getting out of shape over his opinions...I will go and look at this thread re porn

Kizzy · 05-11-2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Who cares what you "can see"?

All this overreactionary opportunist axe-grinding is purely because I stated what I COULD SEE.

And I prefer the direct, real testimony of my own eyes than any second-hand professed testimony of yours.

Not sure why you're choosing to get personal with everyone who took exception to the analogy within your post.
This is a discussion forum, and people will comment on what you say, it's kind of the point.

Cherie · 05-11-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There is a vast difference in my 'attacking' you, as you knowingly wrongly claim, and in my 'defending' myself against your attack, which is the true state of affairs.

Your specification of "the last month" as evidence that you have not "commented" on my posts is as disgenuine as your claim that you "normally avoid" my posts, because it was ME who told you that I was ignoring YOU about a month ago after you - once again - seized upon a minor disagreement which I had with young JoshBB and blew it up out of all proportion, milking it for all it was worth to satisfy your own agenda. THE TRUTH OF THIS IS THERE ON THE THREADS.

And I HAVE ignored you since.

And it is ironic that you write: "but in some cases I just can't let them pass." Because, you have forced me into a position where I cannot let your comments pass.

However, I suggest we leave it here, because I do not want to to be warned, infracted or banned and yet it IS impossible to defend myself against such 'personal' attack from the predictable 'usual suspects' WITHOUT getting personal in return.

I suggest we just continue to ignore each other.

Bye.

Find the thread Kirk because it was you who blew that out of all proportion, and if you don't I will, I made a mild comment to stop talking down to Josh because of his age, others had also commented on this, JoeyS and DemoRed but you chose to me to post a full 4 paragraph diatribe against, now who has the axe to grind. I told you then and I will tell you again now, don't tell me what or who to ignore I will please myself.

Niamh. · 05-11-2015, 12:10 PM

Ok, back ontopic, lets not start raking up old arguments

Cherie · 05-11-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok, back ontopic, lets not start raking up old arguments

I've not had bold Niamh for ages

Niamh. · 05-11-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I've not had bold Niamh for ages

Things are getting serious now

Kizzy · 05-11-2015, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lime

Livia you know I am very fond of you.What Kirk posted was on a public disscusson forum where I am sure he knows his views will be talked about ..the same as mine or your own views.Trust me I am not getting out of shape over his opinions...I will go and look at this thread re porn

It's just a link to a silly buzzfeed quiz, it's nothing to do with this or any other topic in serious debates.