[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by wannashag

They're not protesters, they're scumbag thugs making no point.

If there is a protest though, you can't really stop scumbag thugs from taking part. The only way to stop that would be to stop protests altogether but that would never/should never happen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

If there is a protest though, you can't really stop scumbag thugs from taking part. The only way to stop that would be to stop protests altogether but that would never/should never happen.

Yeah that's the dilemma really, people should have a right to Protest, it's just a shame that a minority ruin it for the genuine people

[arista]

But you can Tell them to End at 9PM
and not go onto side streets.

Last night those Rules
were broken.
So The police Did a Good Job
Stopping the Criminal Punks

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This forum is sending me insane. I excelled in Grammar School in English Language and Literature, I have GCE's in English, won numerous writing awards, sold short stories and been praised by Channel 4 and the BBC for the quality of my writing and the merit of my three submitted Drama scripts. In addition, I have written Campaign articles for The Labour Party and UKIP, but now no one on here seems to understand what the **** I am saying.

I think it's time I shut up.

Sorry but I don't find you responses that easy to fathom, take that analogy yesterday that had many puzzled.
So maybe you're just too great for us mere mortals to comprehend? you should tone it down a bit.
I don't believe for one second you should ban protests, as said there will be tag along trouble makers at any organised peaceful protest. You can't take away long campaigned and hard won rights due to this...
As DR said if there are those committing unlawful acts then arrest them, that shouldn't include those who simply wish to protest against an issue.
Yes the govt is elected... if they begin to implement policies that were not in their manifesto and therefore not what the electorate voted for then there is cause to protest.
How can a non violent protest be considered a threat?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is now time to ban these 'Protests'.

The crap that "It is only a handful of trouble causers who hijack a peaceful protest" does not wash I'm afraid. There are far too many 'masked' people and far too many seen to be actively participating in the unlawfulness and grinning and laughing, for this to be true.

These 'protests' are organised by anti-Democratic agitators, attended by the gullible and criminal, waste our Police resources and hard pressed tax-payers money, and threaten our very way of life as well as the lives of police officers and the poor police horses.

How much longer are we going to treat this anarchy with 'kid gloves? Why should we tolerate these violent anarchist attacks on our democracy? There is a lawful process in place in this great country called 'Elections' and it is a system for which citizens of other non-free, non-democratic countries risk life and limb during genuine protest marches to try to achieve.

The Law Courts should get tougher with the sentencing for any of these bastards who are charged and convicted, with stiff prison sentences being mandatory.

We are under threat. A very real and grave threat, and it's time to take off the gloves.

I have to say these 'people' firstly need an education on how to act like a human being and not think they can get what they want by throwing tantrums,trashing stuff,burning cars and injuring others,someone probably wanted a free tele !!!, and if they are up front about what they want and are not out to be troublemaking then why are most of them walking round with faces covered so it's hard to identify them?

[Kizzy]

That would be a good idea if they were identifiable, however the people in employment among them may feel their positions could be at risk if identified as an activist.
Those committing offences should of course be dealt with severely as they are ruining public perception of protesters, and turning the focus from real issues.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf to DR though I do get why she asked you that question, how can you ban protests that may turn into civil disobedience/riots without banning all protests, or do you think Protests in general should be banned?

Yes Niamh, I do not believe that these things are as innocent as people make out. It is NOT genuine students organising these, it is anti-democratic agitators masquerading as students. These are well planned in advance and well publicised and attract gullible genuine students who are misled, as well as anti-democratic thugs who revel in the opportunity to attack police and property with impunity under the cover of a mask or scarf.

Some large conference room should be made available by the government where disgruntled students can sit down and argue their case against government ministers and representatives over a professional PA system. The whole thing could be officially run similar to PMQT with TV cameras and news media present.

I 1,000% support the protesting student's cause - my own son has Ł40,000 of 'Student Debt' - but falling for these anarchist orgies of violence masquerading as 'peaceful protest' does nothing to aid their cause. In fact; even the message is lost - overshadowed and marginalised by the inevitable violence and lawlessness.

We need draconian sentencing for any thugs convicted because it will serve as a deterrent to some, but even if it does not, it takes at least some of the scumbags off the streets and prevents them from physically joining any more B.S protests -- for the duration of their sentences at least.

[Kizzy]

What happened to the good old fashioned sit in?... You can't be accused of any acts of violence or destruction chained to a desk

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry but I don't find you responses that easy to fathom, take that analogy yesterday that had many puzzled.
So maybe you're just too great for us mere mortals to comprehend? you should tone it down a bit.
I don't believe for one second you should ban protests, as said there will be tag along trouble makers at any organised peaceful protest. You can't take away long campaigned and hard won rights due to this...
As DR said if there are those committing unlawful acts then arrest them, that shouldn't include those who simply wish to protest against an issue.
Yes the govt is elected... if they begin to implement policies that were not in their manifesto and therefore not what the electorate voted for then there is cause to protest.
How can a non violent protest be considered a threat?

Perhaps you could list some of these 'Non-Violent' protests?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes Niamh, I do not believe that these things are as innocent as people make out. It is NOT genuine students organising these anti-democratic agitators masquerading as students. These are well planned in advance and well publicised and attract gullible genuine students who are misled, as well as anti-democratic thugs who revel in the opportunity to attack police and property with impunity under the cover of a mask or scarf.

Some large conference room should be made available by the government where disgruntled students can sit down and argue their case against government ministers and representatives over a professional PA system. The whole thing could be officially run similar to PMQT wiiiiith TV cameras and news media present.

I 1,000% support the protesting student's cause - my own son has Ł40,000 of 'Student Debt' - but falling for these anarchist orgies of violence masquerading as 'peaceful protest' does nothing to aid their cause. In fact; even the message is lost - overshadowed and marginalised by the inevitable violence and lawlessness.

We need draconian sentencing for any thugs convicted because it will serve as a deterrent to some, but even if it does not, it takes at least some of the scumbags off the streets and prevents them from physically joining any more B.S protests -- for the duration of their sentences at least.

So basically you think that the government should come up with a different way of letting people protest? The problem with that though, it would then be a Protest at the Government's convenience which kind of defeats the whole point of a Protest in the first place

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Perhaps you could list some of these 'Non-Violent' protests?

They're all protests.....
You can't blame the many for the acts of the few, and as punishment take everyones civil rights away, that's ridiculous.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So basically you think that the government should come up with a different way of letting people protest? The problem with that though, it would then be a Protest at the Government's convenience which kind of defeats the whole point of a Protest in the first place

No Niamh - not to let the government 'Stage Manage' and dictate the event, just provide permanent facilities which bodies of protesting citizens can utilise to air their grievances civilly, intelligently, and peacefully against government representatives - and in front of the press.

Publicity by internet for even the most genuine of these events is like teenagers naively messaging their friends via facebook that they are having a party because mum and dad are away for the weekend - the wrong type of trouble-causing gate-crashers ALWAYS turn up in number to demolish the house and property, wreak havoc, and spoil what was genuinely intended to be a 'cool, ordinary teenagers party'.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

[ Violence Fears Ahead Of London Anonymous March
The Met imposes rigorous restrictions on the planned protest as its organisers tell attendees: "The police are not your friends."]

They were Told to end at 9PM Tonight.



http://news.sky.com/story/1582039/vi...nonymous-march

Hilarious point made on The Wright Stuff today. For every "V for Vendetta" mask that's sold to anti-capitalists, 2% goes to... Warner Brothers. It's the definition of irony.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hilarious point made on The Wright Stuff today. For every "V for Vendetta" mask that's sold to anti-capitalists, 2% goes to... Warner Brothers. It's the definition of irony.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They're all protests.....
You can't blame the many for the acts of the few, and as punishment take everyones civil rights away, that's ridiculous.

So I take it your use of the phrase; 'Peaceful Protest' is a misnomer?

And I am NOT blaming the 'many for the acts of the few' if you mean students by that, I am saying that I do not believe that it IS only a few, because the evidence seems to be that too many are masked, and those that aren't who are not seen to be actively taking part in unlawful acts, still appear to be supportive and condoning those who are by their grinning and laughter.

If we are proffering true democracy here with the use of 'the many and the few', then what about the 'MANY' of us who are not protesting but have to pay for the cost of all the damage and police man hours increasingly incurred by these protests of the 'FEW'?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hilarious point made on The Wright Stuff today. For every "V for Vendetta" mask that's sold to anti-capitalists, 2% goes to... Warner Brothers. It's the definition of irony.

Trouble is Liv, that word would be lost on a lot of these 'peaceful protesters' - they think 'irony' is something the bars which they smash property up with are made out of.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Trouble is Liv, that word would be lost on a lot of these 'peaceful protesters' - they think 'irony' is something the bars which they smash property up with are made out of.

Feel a bit sad for the people who went to make their point because as I said before, I totally agree with free education. The usual few turn up and ruin it probably wouldn't understand the concept of irony. If you have to cover your face to protest then you have not the courage of your convictions as far as I'm concerned. And I'd guess that none of the mask wearers are currently doing anything post-grad, nor will they ever.

Anyhoo, their ignorance makes a nice little Jewish firm 2%! What's not to love already?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Feel a bit sad for the people who went to make their point because as I said before, I totally agree with free education. The usual few turn up and ruin it probably wouldn't understand the concept of irony. If you have to cover your face to protest then you have not the courage of your convictions as far as I'm concerned. And I'd guess that none of the mask wearers are currently doing anything post-grad, nor will they ever.

Anyhoo, their ignorance makes a nice little Jewish firm 2%! What's not to love already?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This forum is sending me insane. I excelled in Grammar School in English Language and Literature, I have GCE's in English, won numerous writing awards, sold short stories and been praised by Channel 4 and the BBC for the quality of my writing and the merit of my three submitted Drama scripts. In addition, I have written Campaign articles for The Labour Party and UKIP, but now no one on here seems to understand what the **** I am saying.

I think it's time I shut up.

I think you should stop being such a sensitive soul. When I quoted your post, I merely challenged what you had written to topic. I wasn't questioning you about your education or career portfolio.

If you feel there should be strict limits on someone's right to protest and I don't, then everything is fair game...we simply have a disagreement about where those lines should be drawn.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hilarious point made on The Wright Stuff today. For every "V for Vendetta" mask that's sold to anti-capitalists, 2% goes to... Warner Brothers. It's the definition of irony.

For Sure

[smudgie]

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

[DemolitionRed]

The Million Mask protest is an annual event. Each year it covers a collective of different things. This year it was dominated by those protesting about government malpractice, civil liberties, migrants, the elderly and disabled discrimination. It also contained small fractions of disgruntled students and junior doctors who are about to suffer some fairly severe pay cuts. It even had a group of bikers who were protesting about something to do with stunt riding.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

Well said smudgie and I see some poor pig also died had its head sliced off ,all for someone to think they were funny by holding it aloft,or actually making a point,bloody arseholes make me sick.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That would be a good idea if they were identifiable, however the people in employment among them may feel their positions could be at risk if identified as an activist.
Those committing offences should of course be dealt with severely as they are ruining public perception of protesters, and turning the focus from real issues.

Perfectly put,fairly and spot on.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

Yes I put that on DVD-R

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