[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This forum is sending me insane. I excelled in Grammar School in English Language and Literature, I have GCE's in English, won numerous writing awards, sold short stories and been praised by Channel 4 and the BBC for the quality of my writing and the merit of my three submitted Drama scripts. In addition, I have written Campaign articles for The Labour Party and UKIP, but now no one on here seems to understand what the **** I am saying.

I think it's time I shut up.

Sorry but I don't find you responses that easy to fathom, take that analogy yesterday that had many puzzled.
So maybe you're just too great for us mere mortals to comprehend? you should tone it down a bit.
I don't believe for one second you should ban protests, as said there will be tag along trouble makers at any organised peaceful protest. You can't take away long campaigned and hard won rights due to this...
As DR said if there are those committing unlawful acts then arrest them, that shouldn't include those who simply wish to protest against an issue.
Yes the govt is elected... if they begin to implement policies that were not in their manifesto and therefore not what the electorate voted for then there is cause to protest.
How can a non violent protest be considered a threat?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Sorry but I don't find you responses that easy to fathom, take that analogy yesterday that had many puzzled.
So maybe you're just too great for us mere mortals to comprehend? you should tone it down a bit.
I don't believe for one second you should ban protests, as said there will be tag along trouble makers at any organised peaceful protest. You can't take away long campaigned and hard won rights due to this...
As DR said if there are those committing unlawful acts then arrest them, that shouldn't include those who simply wish to protest against an issue.
Yes the govt is elected... if they begin to implement policies that were not in their manifesto and therefore not what the electorate voted for then there is cause to protest.
How can a non violent protest be considered a threat?

Perhaps you could list some of these 'Non-Violent' protests?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This forum is sending me insane. I excelled in Grammar School in English Language and Literature, I have GCE's in English, won numerous writing awards, sold short stories and been praised by Channel 4 and the BBC for the quality of my writing and the merit of my three submitted Drama scripts. In addition, I have written Campaign articles for The Labour Party and UKIP, but now no one on here seems to understand what the **** I am saying.

I think it's time I shut up.

I think you should stop being such a sensitive soul. When I quoted your post, I merely challenged what you had written to topic. I wasn't questioning you about your education or career portfolio.

If you feel there should be strict limits on someone's right to protest and I don't, then everything is fair game...we simply have a disagreement about where those lines should be drawn.

[Niamh.]

I don't understand how you expect to post in the debate section of the Forum but not have your opinions challenged, that is what this section of the forum is about after all Kirk

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't understand how you expect to post in the debate section of the Forum but not have your opinions challenged, that is what this section of the forum is about after all Kirk

I'm not annoyed Niamh - just frustrated,, and it's not about being challenged, I expect that because I know my views stink sometimes. It's when people claim to not understand what I'm talking about or claim to be struggling to understand the points I'm making - despite the fact that I have stated such points clearly.

I end up re-reading my post for fear that alzheimers is getting me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not annoyed Niamh - just frustrated,, and it's not about being challenged, I expect that because I know my views stink sometimes. It's when people claim to not understand what I'm talking about or claim to be struggling to understand the points I'm making - despite the fact that I have stated such points clearly.

I end up re-reading my post for fear that alzheimers is getting me.

tbf to DR though I do get why she asked you that question, how can you ban protests that may turn into civil disobedience/riots without banning all protests, or do you think Protests in general should be banned?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf to DR though I do get why she asked you that question, how can you ban protests that may turn into civil disobedience/riots without banning all protests, or do you think Protests in general should be banned?

Yes Niamh, I do not believe that these things are as innocent as people make out. It is NOT genuine students organising these, it is anti-democratic agitators masquerading as students. These are well planned in advance and well publicised and attract gullible genuine students who are misled, as well as anti-democratic thugs who revel in the opportunity to attack police and property with impunity under the cover of a mask or scarf.

Some large conference room should be made available by the government where disgruntled students can sit down and argue their case against government ministers and representatives over a professional PA system. The whole thing could be officially run similar to PMQT with TV cameras and news media present.

I 1,000% support the protesting student's cause - my own son has Ł40,000 of 'Student Debt' - but falling for these anarchist orgies of violence masquerading as 'peaceful protest' does nothing to aid their cause. In fact; even the message is lost - overshadowed and marginalised by the inevitable violence and lawlessness.

We need draconian sentencing for any thugs convicted because it will serve as a deterrent to some, but even if it does not, it takes at least some of the scumbags off the streets and prevents them from physically joining any more B.S protests -- for the duration of their sentences at least.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes Niamh, I do not believe that these things are as innocent as people make out. It is NOT genuine students organising these anti-democratic agitators masquerading as students. These are well planned in advance and well publicised and attract gullible genuine students who are misled, as well as anti-democratic thugs who revel in the opportunity to attack police and property with impunity under the cover of a mask or scarf.

Some large conference room should be made available by the government where disgruntled students can sit down and argue their case against government ministers and representatives over a professional PA system. The whole thing could be officially run similar to PMQT wiiiiith TV cameras and news media present.

I 1,000% support the protesting student's cause - my own son has Ł40,000 of 'Student Debt' - but falling for these anarchist orgies of violence masquerading as 'peaceful protest' does nothing to aid their cause. In fact; even the message is lost - overshadowed and marginalised by the inevitable violence and lawlessness.

We need draconian sentencing for any thugs convicted because it will serve as a deterrent to some, but even if it does not, it takes at least some of the scumbags off the streets and prevents them from physically joining any more B.S protests -- for the duration of their sentences at least.

So basically you think that the government should come up with a different way of letting people protest? The problem with that though, it would then be a Protest at the Government's convenience which kind of defeats the whole point of a Protest in the first place

[Alf]

They're not protesters, they're scumbag thugs making no point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by wannashag

They're not protesters, they're scumbag thugs making no point.

Bang On Right

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by wannashag

They're not protesters, they're scumbag thugs making no point.

If there is a protest though, you can't really stop scumbag thugs from taking part. The only way to stop that would be to stop protests altogether but that would never/should never happen.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LiamBB

If there is a protest though, you can't really stop scumbag thugs from taking part. The only way to stop that would be to stop protests altogether but that would never/should never happen.

Yeah that's the dilemma really, people should have a right to Protest, it's just a shame that a minority ruin it for the genuine people

[Jay.]

i agree with them on tuition fees, but surely there is a better, more educated, way of dealing with it? this won't do a thing lmao.

[arista]

But you can Tell them to End at 9PM
and not go onto side streets.

Last night those Rules
were broken.
So The police Did a Good Job
Stopping the Criminal Punks

[Kizzy]

That would be a good idea if they were identifiable, however the people in employment among them may feel their positions could be at risk if identified as an activist.
Those committing offences should of course be dealt with severely as they are ruining public perception of protesters, and turning the focus from real issues.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That would be a good idea if they were identifiable, however the people in employment among them may feel their positions could be at risk if identified as an activist.
Those committing offences should of course be dealt with severely as they are ruining public perception of protesters, and turning the focus from real issues.

Perfectly put,fairly and spot on.

[Kizzy]

What happened to the good old fashioned sit in?... You can't be accused of any acts of violence or destruction chained to a desk

[smudgie]

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

Well said smudgie and I see some poor pig also died had its head sliced off ,all for someone to think they were funny by holding it aloft,or actually making a point,bloody arseholes make me sick.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Total failure.
The spokesman on the dailypolitic show did them no favours either.
Calling a female panellist sweetheart in a condescending manner, twit.
Absolute shambles, you have protestors for animal rights amongst protestors that think its fine to throw firecrackers at the police horses
No organisation at all, just a free for all advertised on Facebook.
If no laws are broken and it is indeed a peaceful protest then surely there would be no need for masks.
Masks, hoodies, a scarf over your face etc should be banned.
Courage of your convictions, stand proud and show who you are.

Yes I put that on DVD-R

What a Punk

[DemolitionRed]

The Million Mask protest is an annual event. Each year it covers a collective of different things. This year it was dominated by those protesting about government malpractice, civil liberties, migrants, the elderly and disabled discrimination. It also contained small fractions of disgruntled students and junior doctors who are about to suffer some fairly severe pay cuts. It even had a group of bikers who were protesting about something to do with stunt riding.

[Nedusa]

Ridiculous bunch of unshaven , baseball Cap wearing, foul mouth hooligans....oh and the rioters were not much better lol...

[Northern Monkey]

Let them protest.However as soon as they start smashing stuff up or hurting people hit them with water cannons and rubber bullets and arrest them.Let them know there's concequences for being a wanker.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Let them protest.However as soon as they start smashing stuff up or hurting people hit them with water cannons and rubber bullets and arrest them.Let them know there's concequences for being a wanker.

Yes thats just the way it should be.

[Samuel.]

The violent minority of any protest are unbelievably stupid and annoying. They make it so easy for the protest to be disregarded as hooliganism, and sadly this appears to be another case of that. What complete and utter idiots that can't control themselves and spoil it for everybody else.