[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he is nothing that is why he or it does nothing and does not exist


If you pray to a chair ( a nice one mind) you get the same results 100% of the time

I think you'd have to pray to a chair first and see the results. You've got to pray hard. Off you go... let me know how it works out for you.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's God, he's not a genie.

but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

but that's not what religions tell people/ religions tell people that god is paying particular attention to them and their wishes. religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want. that is what all religions tell their followers, so religions do make it seem like god is a genie. and just like psychics, when someone's prayers don't get answered, they say it's because they don't believe well enough or don't pray hard enough, they make people feel like it;'s their fault when god doesn't deliver.

it's no different to psychics. if the psychic gets it wrong then it's YOUR fault for not believing enough. you aren't opening up enough, it's your fault for not being good enough for god.

I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't recognise any of that as being pertinent to my own faith, Alex.

well most religious people have very selective hearing Livia. it's easy to hear what you want to hear and tune out the rest. I find it hard to believe that you've never heard a person of your faith say that someone who defied the faith "got what they deserved" if they came upon misfortune, or that someone of your faith is not really part of your faith because they weren't loyal enough. That happens in every faith community.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

religions tell them that god listens to every prayer and that if you just have enough belief and loyalty to god he will give them what they want.

Then you need to broaden your religious research.

In all the years I've stepped foot in a church or sat in RE classes in school, not once have I been told that if I believe hard enough I will have my wishes/prayers granted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and if he can create a universe then he can knock up a fecking dream home

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and if he can create a universe then he can knock up a fecking dream home

He's not here to help you with your retrospective planning permission Mr Fiddler.

Also, asking for dream homes and money is so materialistic.

[Jamie89]

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

This.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

What I don't get about this is that, does anyone who believes in God actually think that those statements will come true if they say them? (I appreciate some have already said it's more a nervousness about tempting fate). Because I'm not a believer myself but if there is a God, I'm sure he wouldn't do something just because he's been dared. He's not 15.

Read the Book of Job.

Or maybe he's matured since then?

[lostalex]

if you read the bible, it does seem that god has the maturity level of a 15 y/o. he killed people just because the devil dared him.

[Jessica.]

There is no God.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

There is no God.

All right arista, calm down.

[Johnnyuk123]

I Don't believe in anykind of god. Believers do like to say that God created everything then cherry pick it to death. Cos if in fact this so called God DID create EVERYTHING then he's to blame for the terrorists,all diseases and all the other bad things going on in the world.
But Santa is REAL.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I Don't believe in anykind of god. Believers do like to say that God created everything then cherry pick it to death. Cos if in fact this so called God DID create EVERYTHING then he's to blame for the terrorists,all diseases and all the other bad things going on in the world.
But Santa is REAL.

No Johnny you cant blame God for the evils men do, WE are to blame for the evils of the world no one else.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Johnny you cant blame God for the evils men do, WE are to blame for the evils of the world no one else.

Speak for yourself kazanne, I did **** all

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Speak for yourself kazanne, I did **** all

You banned me more than once young lady. Don't think I don't know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You banned me more than once young lady. Don't think I don't know.

I would never

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Speak for yourself kazanne, I did **** all

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Johnny you cant blame God for the evils men do, WE are to blame for the evils of the world no one else.

and who made men in his own image?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I Don't believe in anykind of god. Believers do like to say that God created everything then cherry pick it to death. Cos if in fact this so called God DID create EVERYTHING then he's to blame for the terrorists,all diseases and all the other bad things going on in the world.
But Santa is REAL.

Then do a little research about something called "free will".

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I Don't believe in anykind of god. Believers do like to say that God created everything then cherry pick it to death. Cos if in fact this so called God DID create EVERYTHING then he's to blame for the terrorists,all diseases and all the other bad things going on in the world.
But Santa is REAL.

..I guess that he's like the company founder but then left people to oversee and work it for him..that's not meant to be glib but more how to look at it as well, for those who believe in him and like Kaz has said...it's how the belief of him is interpreted by some who choose to interpret it negatively and only negatively...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I guess that he's like the company founder but then left people to oversee and work it for him..that's not meant to be glib but more how to look at it as well, for those who believe in him and like Kaz has said...it's how the belief of him is interpreted by some who choose to interpret it negatively and only negatively...