[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Shaun

This just in: homophobia doesn't hurt a straight woman

I take that on board Shaun,it probably is difficult for a straight person to fully understand ,it is something for me to think about.

[Amy Jade]

Again with the 'you're not gay why are you offended' crap.

If this is how you expect things to work them nobody here can be offended by animals being slaughtered for fur as we are not animals. Nobody can be offended by racism unless they are of the race being discriminated against...etc etc

The absolute reaching some members are doing in defence of a horrible bigoted old man is shocking - you'll lump the blame on anyone but the man himself.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Maybe I am alone. But like Jeremy I take offence at ACTIONS. Not words.

Words mean nothing really. So Winston doesn't agree gays should adopt kids. That's his view. Meh. Okay. Over and done with.

But the housemates' reaction was bizarre. MASS offence was taken. It was like 'you insulted me even though I am not gay!'

They ganged up on Winston with such venom and hate, sorry I had to laugh. Winston on the other hand conducted himself well.

And may I say HIS was the only CBB/BB eviction interview I have watched from start to finish. And Emma's attitude, just like the housemates, just like the crowd, was as ONE. Venom. You could hear it in her questioning.

What's HER problem? She doesn't agree with Winston, END OF. Move on. Ever heard of free speech, love. It's a free country, if you've forgotten. This isn't Saudi or China.

Why do these people feel the need to try and convince Winston is wrong. He can't be moved, no point.

And let's face it. BB threw Winston to the lions. He wasn't just sitting there and suddenly said 'I think gays are child abusers'. It was BB that brought it up. Something he said, when? Two years ago. In an interview, is then dragged up. And the housemates were like the kids fable, Emperor's New Clothes, they all agreed to hate Winston. And it was Jeremy, the 'boy' who stood up and say no.

And as for Angie, her reaction was way over the top. It looked like she was ready to commit murder. I have to say she is without question several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The hate she showed, she disgusted me more than anyone. Anything Winston SAID. Because it's what she displayed. Hate. Not what she said. Words mean nothing.

Excellent post

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-...hey-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-...hey-really-say

6 scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible

I get the feeling that you haven't even read the page that you've linked to

[Beso]

I'm finding all this hatred aimed at winston really sad and depressing now, all the ganging up on people who dont take the view that hes this homophobic monster as well is totally uncalled for and should not be allowed to happen on the forum wether the moderators agree with whats said or not. Its all completely uncalled for and has no place on the forum.

With winston what you have is a man who said one thing years ago,something that he believes in and something he has stood by despite all the bullying and harrasment due to him saying it. A man who should actually be praised for staying strong in his beliefs. A man in all honesty because of his unwilting personality that i would want in my corner if i needed someone to fight for me and what i thought was rightious due to his unwilting ways.

His back to the walls comment is something i find unworthy of outrage because if you are gay and reading this is it breally that bad? Think about your relationship with your straight friends, have they never made a few jokey comments to you about your sexuality like perhaps you have to them about theirs! If they haven't, would you be as outraged and hatefull towards them if they did?

Winston has grown up in England as a black youth and will have had all the names surrounding that aimed at him as a kid on a daily basis growing up in the seventies. Does he seem like a man that is holding a grudge about it to you, because to me he doesnt! He looks like a man who has used it to make him stronger and more determined in life.

Time and time again winston has said why he used the term child abuse and if he believes that child abuse is a child that has been deprived of a mother figure then thats his perogative and it should be respected. If you have beliefs that gay marraige should be treated the same as same sex marraige when it comes adoption then hey guess what, it's not. So instead of posting on here about how disgusted you are at winston maybe you should channel that disgust and go and seek out your local mp and get him to fight for you and your rights to equality when it comes to adoption.

Winston as a 59yr old man will have earned the right to have these opinions and the right not to have them stripped away, he has the right as a man to believe he is due some respect, a man who should be able to remain with any belief he has and that no political correctness should be able to dictate what he can and can't say.

so it may be 2016, and you may think there is no place for these beliefs in this day and age but for some people of winstons age and era they see it as their way of life being suddenly stripped from underneath them and for me that is really unfair on them. The one constant through all of this though is the fact that winston is a man and in 2016 no man deserves the hatred and intolorence that has been aimed at winston on this forum lately.


So i ask you all that are guilty of it to practice what you preach and instead of spreading more hate in the world try and spread a little love instead as winston isnt exactly calling for anything more than being allowed to hold his opinion as long as he isnt preaching or spreading hatred to his fellow man.

[Amy Jade]

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Well thank you for the effort, but after reading your comment about aisleyne looking like she is out looking for a punter because she has made an effort in her choice of attire on a night out, your opinion has become somewhat irrelevent to me because its as outdated and as prejudiced as you believe and hold so dear to your heart that winstons are.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well thank you for the effort, but after reading your comment about aisleyne looking like she is out looking for a punter because she has made an effort in her choice of attire on a night out, your opinion has become somewhat irrelevent to me because its as outdated and as prejudiced as you believe and hold so dear to your heart that winstons are.

I came to exactly the same conclusion about you a few days ago for many reasons hun so no hard feelings x

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I came to exactly the same conclusion about you a few days ago for many reasons hun so no hard feelings x

At least im not making a hypocritical arse of myself though x much love and respect.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by parmnion

At least im not making a hypocritical arse of myself though x much love and respect.

Yes you are but you're too deluded to see it haha

[Beso]

http://www.biblestudytools.com/roman...romans+1:26-28

[Beso]

To be fair i think most threads were closed for pointless tit for tat one upmanship type posts rather than homophobic ones.

[sampvt]

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sampvt

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

The CBB producers brought Winston's own homophobic and offensive remarks into the public arena - and especially this forum - when they deliberately incorporated them into a task.

This forum has a lot of 'gay' members - not disproportionately so, though it may appear that way simply because those gay members are more pro-active than a lot of non-gay members - and if they have quite rightly taken offense at Winston's remarks once they were out in the open, then it is totally natural that this forum is THE place where such offended members will vent and voice their reactions.

I see nothing wrong in that.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by sampvt

This is so so sad. Other forums have let Winston go but this one still rambles on arguing for gay rights, homophobic issue, biblical references to homosexuality, children is gay marriages....etc etc.....its all so bloody boring and completely draining. Ive gone back to as many posts as I could and counted the most verbal FM's that continually speak out against these sensitive views and I didn't get over 50. Can anyone tell me what 50 represents in terms of a percentage of the forums membership.

Now that's done, we can clearly see that a very small portion of anti gay issues are disproportionally represented, yet the forum is governed by these posters. I applaud free speech and right, but is TIBB not taking this whole debacle to extremes that puts people off discussing other issues.

There is way to many cat fights in here and not enough serious debate. Plus the number of posts that are all about the same thing is just crazy. Can anyone find me one post about the antics of the eventual winner Darren Day, because at the moment he is running away with it and on the tv he seems to be involved in a fair amount of debates, yet nothing on here about him. This forum seems to be getting bogged down with homophobic and PC issues when there is a whole show to talk about.

Come on guys, lighten up and lets get back to basics and let the bad guy drift into oblivion, he simply isn't worth our breath and the more we talk about him, the more relevant he becomes.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...924&highlight=

As popular as ever

[Livia]

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

You don't get to decide what I post, in fact, you don't get to edit what anyone on here says or decide how often a point is made. It's a forum. You have to expect people to say what they feel whether or not anyone's already said it. I don't see you trying to censor people saying positive things about your favourites so please don't try to censor me.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't get to decide what I post, in fact, you don't get to edit what anyone on here says or decide how often a point is made. It's a forum. You have to expect people to say what they feel whether or not anyone's already said it. I don't see you trying to censor people saying positive things about your favourites so please don't try to censor me.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Livia, no disrespect intended but your post has been said loads of times and it makes it no less relevant but we buy 3 sunday suppliments to read different news, we don't but 3 copies of the same newspaper and read them all every day.

Uh? This is a forum, where ALL members are free and welcome to post their views - even if such views reiterate earlier ones, or overlap current ones.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Uh? This is a forum, where ALL members are free and welcome to post their views - even if such views reiterate earlier ones, or overlap current ones.

I do copy - and I get the same paper 3 times

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe, for some Winston supporters, this is the first time you've all encountered him. Otherwise, I really don't recognise the person you seem to be supporting. Maybe you've not seen the outrageously shocking stuff he's said in the past. Maybe the fact that he says a LOT of words but doesn't ever really make a point unless it's an insulting point. If some of the things he's said about gay people had been said about black people, Winston would think he'd been insulted. It's right people are talking about this so all the pleas for people to lighten up are weak and appeasing. Do not let ANYONE off lightly for being a bigot.

[Kizzy]

Why is the worldwide Christian Anglican church so split on gay marriage then right now? If there was no direct link to the word of god then how as theologians are they able to justify denouncing the union.
Is it specifically marriage and not homosexuality that is forbidden? That may be where the confusion has arisen.

His condemnation was directly linked to his faith, nothing to do with any fears for the children, we know that as he stated it directly to Emma.
All I see with the deprivation of male and female influences angle is people wishing to project their own prejudices into the discussion.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why is the worldwide Christian Anglican church so split on gay marriage then right now? If there was no direct link to the word of god then how as theologians are they able to justify denouncing the union.
Is it specifically marriage and not homosexuality that is forbidden? That may be where the confusion has arisen.

His condemnation was directly linked to his faith, nothing to do with any fears for the children, we know that as he stated it directly to Emma.
All I see with the deprivation of male and female influences angle is people wishing to project their own prejudices into the discussion.

If Christ did NOT mention 'homosexuality' in the New Testament - which he DID NOT, then God has NO views either on 'Gay' relationships or 'Gay' Marriage , and God is not judgemental on either.

So that means that - as already stated - it is MAN in the form of the 'Church' who are split on THEIR views and not on the word of GOD.

"His condemnation" was NOT "directly linked to his faith" - it was the result of being brainwashed by the toxic preachings of a prejudiced homophobic Church minister.

Faith in a Christian God ie; Christ, does not render one homophobic because homosexuality was NEVER mentioned by that God.