[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

haha has she read the books?

Yes, but she also started viewing the series well before me, so I am 'catching up' in a way.

She is always encouraging me to read the books and I probably will once the EU Referendum is done and dusted and I have more free time.

I really enjoy the series though - it's is so strangely enthralling. There are so many well written characters and such brilliant actors portraying them.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes, but she also started viewing the series well before me, so I am 'catching up' in a way.

She is always encouraging me to read the books and I probably will once the EU Referendum is done and dusted and I have more free time.

I really enjoy the series though - it's is so strangely enthralling. There are so many well written characters and such brilliant actors portraying them.

ah the books are fantastic, you get so much more from them but I don't even know how likely it is that they'll ever be finished now the Series has over taken them

[Scarlett.]

It is interesting to not that Dany has never faced true loss, and when he seems she's losing power she goes all 'Mad King', what will happened when she actually loses a battle?

[TT350]

She's called Denise to her friends, not Dany. Lol.

Eg:

Hey up Denise, y'off out down town t'nite or wot lass?"

"Can't flower. Proper bustin' for a night on't razz n'all like but got dragons, Callum, Kai and Krystal this weekend coz 'er dad wunt avum! Bellend"

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

It is interesting to not that Dany has never faced true loss, and when he seems she's losing power she goes all 'Mad King', what will happened when she actually loses a battle?

Her husband and unborn child?

[Smithy]

Benioff spoke about Daenerys’ growing strength:

“She’s not her father and she’s not insane and she’s not a sadist, but there’s a Targaryen ruthlessness that comes with even the good Targaryens. If you’re one of the lords of Westeros or one of her potential opponents in the wars to come and you get word of what happened here in Meereen, you have to be pretty nervous because this is an unprecedented threat. You’ve got a woman who has somehow formed an alliance where she has a Dothraki horde, a legion of Unsullied, she’s got the mercenary army of the Second Sons, and she has three dragons who are now pretty close to full grown. So if she can make it all the way across the Narrow Sea and get to Westeros, who’s going to stand in her way?”

Oh

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Her husband and unborn child?

Everyone else has suffered 10x that, she's had a few minor setbacks. This pretty much shows the difference between her and everyone else.

Spoiler:

Everyone else is clawing to survive and she's just flying around on her dragons. She might not be evil, but she needs to experience a true loss before she can truly become who she wants to be.

[Glenn.]

Shut up chewy

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have faith that Tyrion will keep her right...

...she's just young and has become very powerful and with it a bit arrogant, she is still essentially "good" on an individual level, wants to protect the weak etc.

I actually think what we are seeing is them developing her "over-confidence" and at some point she's going to make a mistake, e.g. Tyrion will advise caution and tactics going into a battle but she'll charge in feeling invincible, and she'll get her arse handed to her and a load of her army killed which will bring her down a peg.

Basically Sansa and Jon in the last ep until that damn Littlefinger saved him

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Basically Sansa and Jon in the last ep until that damn Littlefinger saved him

To be fair I don't think Jon charged in feeling invincible, he actually looked pretty sure that he was about to die as the cavalry charged at him, before his own caught up and tackled them.

It was more that Ramsay managed to goad him into losing his ****. Y'know, by impaling his little brother in front of him.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair I don't think Jon charged in feeling invincible, he actually looked pretty sure that he was about to die as the cavalry charged at him, before his own caught up and tackled them.

It was more that Ramsay managed to goad him into losing his ****. Y'know, by impaling his little brother in front of him.

He did 'charge' (metaphorically) into the battle in the first place though by thinking an army half the size could win, thinking he could protect Sansa and thinking he wouldn't get completely outwitted by Ramsey

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

He did 'charge' (metaphorically) into the battle in the first place though by thinking an army half the size could win, thinking he could protect Sansa and thinking he wouldn't get completely outwitted by Ramsey

I don't think he did think they would win though, I think he thought they would most likely die, hence asking not to be brought back again.

The episode covered the differences between the two quite thoroughly though. Jon is a warrior - not a general. His first instinct was to challenge Ramsay one on one confident that he would win... vs Ramsay being smart enough to know that he would probably lose that way and not being goaded into it. Then you have the battle itself - Jon charges in half cocked, is indeed pretty much one of the strongest individual warriors on the field, but has absolutely NO tactics at all. He comes out of it coated in dirt and blood. Ramsay never enters the battle - making tactical decisions from the sidelines and dominating the field until the Knights of the Vale show up.

Then they state it quite explicitly in the "...but Jon Snow is no king" conversation between Tormund and Davos.

What Jon essentially is... is a wildling, with some Stark / Black Watch combat and tactics training.