[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Chewy one word can change Everything
"Events"


Like 9/11
or Brexit

They are Events
that change everything

the Event of the 23rd Vote
changed Davids future.

But in a Legal term
he is Still the PM
Until the the New Lady takes over.

Not so arista, the fixed term act gives a term of power to an elected PM and govt.

David Cameron was due to go likely in 2019,and then a new leader elected who would have held an election the following year.

This is major constitutional change leaving the EU, that will affect how even govts govern for decades to come,not just what the outcome will be for the UK and its citizens,just over a year in a change of Prime Minister too.

There is no way, this govt elected on a manifesto,who will now also be having policy changes to that manifesto, to take account of this new situation under a different PM.
It cannot be even possibly, never mind moralyl right, to deny the Country a new election to elect whatever make up of govt, they want to deal with this new situation.

No way,I really hope the pressure placed on whoever takes over to do so is given in to.
This govt is changing all ways almost fully,a new election is a must in this situation, in any form of democracy.
Really to deal with this exit from the EU, it should not even be just the govt that does this anyway, it should be all parties involved.

If not that, then a new election should be and is a must in my view.

[MTVN]

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.

[arista]

"If not that, then a new election should be and is a must in my view. "

Fact : Your View means nothing to THEM, Joey

Both GOVE and MAY
have confirmed No Election
Until 2020.

Suck It UP

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.

Bang On Right MTVN

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

David Davis made the point though that Brexit is the outcome of a manifesto pledge by the government to hold an In-Out referendum this parliament so people were aware when they were electing the Conservatives that this was a possibility. I can't see there being the appetite for a general election amongst any of the main parties - the Conservatives don't want to risk their majority given how unpredictable the polls have become, Labour don't want to risk losing a lot of their seats given the state of their party, and the SNP don't want to risk their monopoly of power in Scotland. The Lib Dems would be the most enthusiastic for an election because they probably would make a fightback in the South-West where a lot of areas did have a Remain vote. I don't really think there's much appetite for a general election in the country either after the laborious EU referendum coming only a year after the last general election and inbetween that we have had local elections as well. People would probably rather a period of stability where the government could get on with business without everything being seen through the prism of another election or another load of endless promises on the campaign trail which never come to fruition.

That would have been fine if the govt had a plan for both scenarios of in and out, they did not,
They had no plan for out in their manifesto,

Also the manifesto stated negotiations would take place if the Conservatives got an overall majority and a referendum to be held by the end of 2017.

It is all done now just over a year in and there is no plan for exit.
In light of that, all parties should now present their plans for exit to the electorate and allow them to decide who deals with same.
Whether that be a majority Conservative govt,majority Labour or a coalition of 2 or even more parties.

It should not just now be an automatic carry on, tearing down the manifesto pledges,the planned surplus is now dropped from the manifesto too.

At the very least an election should be held next year,preferably in the Spring, when all parties can agree their positions on the exit strategy by then and have the electorate make their choice.
No way should the new PM be able to dismantle most of the manifesto and deal with the exit negotiations without their own mandate.

That is and should be outrageous.

[joeysteele]

Just a thought,if Gove wins this, will it be him or his wife calling the shots.
His words don't seem his own of late.
The hand gestures and pronounced wording seem staged.

[Alf]

Change the title from Gove to Leadsom, it will be the battle of the females for the next PM.

[Cal.]

Theresa May

[joeysteele]

I'd rather now Theresa May than Gove.
However she still should have a general election within a year in my view.

[arista]

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[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Just a thought,if Gove wins this, will it be him or his wife calling the shots.
His words don't seem his own of late.
The hand gestures and pronounced wording seem staged.

No Gove has gone off the Scale
Fading.


I will have to do another Vote thread (Number 3)
with the 2 Women , only.


Sign Of The Times

[Heaven = Winner]

Michael Gove ****ed me over in terms of grades (basically I had gotten mostly Bs and Cs in my GCSEs, but I got one A and that was in English Language. Turns out Gove thought the marking in that department was too "generous" in terms of that subject, so I ended up getting marked down to a B+ as a result), so my vote's definitely going to Theresa.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Heaven = Winner

Michael Gove ****ed me over in terms of grades (basically I had gotten mostly Bs and Cs in my GCSEs, but I got one A and that was in English Language. Turns out Gove thought the marking in that department was too "generous" in terms of that subject, so I ended up getting marked down to a B+ as a result), so my vote's definitely going to Theresa.

Its OK Gove is no longer
worth a bet

[Ammi]

..I guess that the irony of democracy in this and the leaving Europe vote/as voted for the people and by the people etc...is that the leader taking us forward as it were is not going to be democratically voted for...

[arista]

But Ammi

Fecking Blair did Just that
when he placed Brown as PM


So its what we have in England


In May Month of 2020
you get to vote
Conservative
Labour
New Labour
UKIP
Green

[arista]

and JUNCKER helped us
by saying No Deals until Contract 50
is handed in
I thank Him for that


So now it will be down to 2 Women Fighting to be PM
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=303949
you pick one Ammi

[Ammi]

...it doesn't really change the thing that as a 'leading light in democracy' atm or whatever..our first big change will be to appoint a leader who hasn't been democratically voted for...a little bit of a mockery But Arista, baby...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it doesn't really change the thing that as a 'leading light in democracy' atm or whatever..our first big change will be to appoint a leader who hasn't been democratically voted for...a little bit of a mockery But Arista, baby...

1 . Democracy - 23rd June Vote - Event
2. Conservative MP's pick a New PM
3. May Month 2020 you Vote


Its that simple
I do hope you Educate your children at
your School

As its as simple as 1 , 2 , 3
baby

[Ammi]

...oh, we're just dipping our toes in that democracy then and baby steps through democracy school...we've had a little bit in 2016 and then we'll have another taster lesson in 2020 for a catch up and revision.../cool beans, Arista...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...oh, we're just dipping our toes in that democracy then and baby steps through democracy school...we've had a little bit in 2016 and then we'll have another taster lesson in 2020 for a catch up and revision.../cool beans, Arista...

You need to Up You Game then
or I will Fly up there
and Show the younger kids
how great their Future will be
and give them all a Free MP3 Coin
size gadget

[arista]

Giving free gifts
makes them Learn Faster.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But Ammi

Fecking Blair did Just that
when he placed Brown as PM


So its what we have in England


In May Month of 2020
you get to vote
Conservative
Labour
New Labour
UKIP
Green

Exactly the point, we had a PM who should not have been there in Brown as you with massive enthusiasm kept pointing out,and rightly.

Brown should not have maybe been there for when the financial crisis hit, someone else may have been if he had not got his own mandate.

This task of dismantling all the directives, rules and all things related to our 43 years in the EU is only the start of things.
They have to win new deals across the World and then also make sure we get the very best of deals still with the EU,

No way should any of that be undertaken until we have the electorate say which party or parties, and what leader should have the mandate to do that.

There should be an election in the Spring of next year,I think the pressure will force one too.
Anything done now by a new leader, tearing down the manifesto the govt got elected on and also starting to see through this almighty chaos there will be as to leaving the EU.
Now that would be the biggest affront to democracy.

The only way no election would be justified in my view,would be for the new PM to make this an all party policy as to leaving the EU,with the main parties and representatives of the other parties all working equally together on this,separate from the usual Govt business.

In other words a full coalition of all parties to see through only the full exit from the EU, for the full time it takes.
Making sure it is therefore done with authority and more democratically too.

[arista]

No the 5 Year Fixed Term Election
stays in place
Do not get in a tangle there Joey

[Ammi]

...you can't really show them a 'great future', Arista..that's something that they'll have to feel and experience themselves and hopefully they will../that would be the only right result ...actually just hold your flight for a little while because one of the big positives that has come out of the whole referendum process and a great thing is that according to the UEA..(and hopefully many unis..)...there has been a huge rise in the study of politics...some great young future politicians, which is always something that is needed, whatever the result and whatever the party, eh..


...anyways, I wish you good day sir, as I have to go start my day now...I hope that you have a lovely day....