[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes Joey, you can sense that he's so frustrated at being misunderstood and criticised yet he tries so hard to keep his cool and his dignity - and he does an amazing job of it.
When you look at Laytesha and Chelsea losing their heads over trivialities like pancakes, in comparison Andy's composure under personal attack in is even more admirable.

I know how he must feel at times jet.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I know how he must feel at times jet.

I get ya!

[RavenleFey]

I don't see him as smug at all. He listens and puts his point across in a calm and dignified manner. And he shows moments of kindness like talking to Evelyn before and after the evictions.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by RavenleFey

I don't see him as smug at all. He listens and puts his point across in a calm and dignified manner. And he shows moments of kindness like talking to Evelyn before and after the evictions.

He cones across as very smug to me, even when I quite liked him at the start you could tell he thought very highly of himself

[ConnieLingus]

Why should he have to listen a cretin like Hughie?

Travellers like Hughie are despised in his own country, for some very good reasons. Why should Andy .listen to someone from a community where Hughie's family upload YouTube videos threatening people?

[Shaun]

His pitiful attempt at explaining to Jason and Natalie - who by all means were quiet and willing to hear him out - why we should stay in the EU pretty much confirmed him as an intellectual lightweight (even though I'm team Remain )

He seems to have no patience in explaining what he finds objectionable or wrong with what the others talk about, and I'm so bored of him whining in the diary room about no one being on his supposed level. His shutdown of Sam's ghost story was rude, his objections to "talking about Jason" are futile and pointlessly self-righteous since...well...everyone talks about people they know. That is a fact of life. That he gets so upset and feels the need to even things out is through no other interest than trying to make himself a wonderful pariah, tbh.

Just find it laughable that some are all flocking towards the 'nice guy' now after deriding Chloe's win and championing Helen's. Especially when this is a guy whose VT literally introduced himself as "that brave soul who tackled mean old Tyson Fury "

[jet]

Originally Posted by Shaun

his objections to "talking about Jason" are futile and pointlessly self-righteous since...well...everyone talks about people they know. That is a fact of life.

But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by jet

But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.

It's just a moral highground that's always taken with embarrassing consequences. Every time someone says "I don't like talking about other people behind their backs", they are seen doing so within a week. And coupled with his general lack of effort to get to know anyone, and his disregard for their supposed inferior intellect, it smacks of pointless condescension.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jet

But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.

I suppose knowing someone for 2 weeks gives you the right to meddle in their personal affairs by repeating idle titty tattle.

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I suppose knowing someone for 2 weeks gives you the right to meddle in their personal affairs by repeating idle titty tattle.

I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by jet

I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.

Chelsea will get more noms than Andy today.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by jet

I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.

Because Andy was caught out twice

The housemates are just now cottoning on to Chelsea being jus as bad.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Tbh, did this even happen? Georgina seems on a mission to get a gig as the next Nicky Graham and promote her 20 year olds in New York show. She knew how unpopular she was, and is now saying what the public want to hear.

She said " I know you think I'm going to pick Evelyn..." so all of a sudden she doesn't want Evelyn out anymore? All of a sudden she's not bothered about Jackson in the shower, when she wouldn't even "let" Jackson look at Evelyn putting on makeup?

All just a ploy to raise her own status

I see no reason why she would lie about that and be so specific about it. That's a big stretch.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you should be arrogant by not taking on board what others have to say. Andy immediately dismisses anything he doesn't agree with and that is rude. Whether he's intelligent or not.

....as opposed to the others who take on board all criticism and change their ways immediately? Have you seen how THEY react to anything negative?
Andy listens very well when he is not being yelled at or goaded. When that happens his defences go up and he becomes a bit stiff and introverted. How he remains so calm I just don't know. They yell at him and lose their heads while he remains articulate and composed and they can't stand that. Why doesn't he shout back? Why doesn't he get in my face? What a arrogant ass!

He listened to advice from Jason and last night from Jayne and said to her that he'd take her advice on board. They spoke to him adult to adult, not yelling attention seeking harpie to adult.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

You can have composure and be arrogant. In fact arrogance is almost always delivered in a composed manner.

Is it better that he doesn't scream at people? Of course. But does that make him exempt from being arrogant and rude? Absolutely not.

You see arrogance, I see introversion and a stiff dignity in being isolated, misunderstood and targeted.
I don't see rude as a characteristic at all. He's better mannered than most of them in there by far.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

It is rude to state your opinion, patiently listen to theirs and then when they've finished walk away. That's not just being introverted. That is rude, immature and something he should work on.

Believe it or not I like Andy! Just that the way he talks to people he has disagreements with will almost always end badly because of the way both they AND he conducts themselves.

Sorry, I genuinely don't recall that. Could you remind me?

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

In the pebble room Andy confronted the 'popular crew' about talking about Hughie.

After a while Sam & Andy got into it where Andy asks if Sam has talked about anyone behind their back. Sam says he hasn't and that Andy is speculating, trying to make him look bad. Andy literally gets up in silence and walks to the door. Only when Ryan asks him why he's leaving Andy says " I know when there's no point in continuing a conversation".

Thanks, I remember that, but Sam was blatantly lying because Andy heard him talking behind Hughies back. We all did! So what point was there in continuing? Andy could have called him a liar, he could have repeated what Sam said and embarrassed him, he could have hollered and made a scene, but he didn't, he chose to remove himself from the situation before he was tempted to do any of those things. I'm sure he was already feeling the pressure at having Laytesha screeching and going ballistic at him.
I'm sure he didn't do it to be deliberately rude Sassy. It's all in the context. Compared to most of them, he's a real gent.

[ebandit]

.....sanctimonious...

Mark L

[letmein]

Andy thinks because the public didn't evict him, he's been vindicated.

[Maru]

Since when did this show become Battle of the Geniuses? It's a personality contest. Andy can have all the degrees in the world, but all the book knowledge in the world can't fix a ****ty attitude/personality.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

He's winning after that engagement. People love him

[Amy Jade]

Ammi

[Amy Jade]

Andy's 'breakdown' at the nominations were his own fault - if he doesn't like being called a snake don't crawl around the house stirring all day.

He is a proven liar, he lied to Jason's face about the discussion over his daughter - Charlie never even said anything she just confirmed what Jason had told Jayne and Andy twisted it so he would look like the noble white knight.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Andy's 'breakdown' at the nominations were his own fault - if he doesn't like being called a snake don't crawl around the house stirring all day.

He is a proven liar, he lied to Jason's face about the discussion over his daughter - Charlie never even said anything she just confirmed what Jason had told Jayne and Andy twisted it so he would look like the noble white knight.

But she didnt just confirm what Jayne said, she went on saying that she only found out 2 months before the end that he had a daughter. Andy told Jason that. It was not a lie.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Ellen

But she didnt just confirm what Jayne said, she went on saying that she only found out 2 months before the end that he had a daughter. Andy told Jason that. It was not a lie.

That's correct. That's nothing about his daughter though, is she seriously not allowed to discuss their previous relationship?

If she had said it maliciously I'd get him telling Jason but all she said was the truth, Andy could have left it or told him the context instead of flat out lying that Charlie was discussing his daughter when she wasn't.