[Liam-]

Uniforms keep the image of the school at a constant image, if a school lets their pupils go in wearing whatever they want, there would definitely be people rolling out of bed in the morning and going in with tat on, a school has to have a good image.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Maybe if they had done, it wouldn't have been an issue for these boys?

Not every rule is 'right' just because it exists as rule. If that was the case there'd be no such thing as protesting, nothing would ever change, and women/gays/black people would have no rights. (I'm not equating a lack of shorts to those issues obviously... just highlighting my point! )

I think it's great what they did, they saw a problem with something and they took a bold step towards trying to fix it... good on them

And I think the argument of "if they were adults they wouldn't be allowed to just do whatever they want" doesn't hold considering there are plenty of adults who do protest and seek change for things that are important to them, and it's people like that who are responsible for most of the major shifts in society that we benefit from today.

This post is spot on good job Jamie

[Kizzy]

with primark being cool now a non uniform day would be a cinch Annie My school was non uniform and I had no probs, whereas my daughter did and she has so many issues had to have a certain bag or coat even stationary! :/

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Uniforms keep the image of the school at a constant image, if a school lets their pupils go in wearing whatever they want, there would definitely be people rolling out of bed in the morning and going in with tat on, a school has to have a good image.

'A good image' is just socially constructed, subjective nonsense though. Who defines that? When people care more about the 'image' of a school over the education of a child, their priorities need reassessing

Look, I can see the benefits to school uniforms and don't oppose them. But enforcing strict add-ons which are completely inconsequential (like wearing coats, scarves, having certain hair styles, make up etc) and being completely inflexible with the rules regardless of the context is backwards bull****. Sometimes freedom of expression and commonsense comes before 'rules'. Humans are humans, not mindless cogs in a wheel there to obey every order ever created

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Uniforms keep the image of the school at a constant image, if a school lets their pupils go in wearing whatever they want, there would definitely be people rolling out of bed in the morning and going in with tat on, a school has to have a good image.

Not only that, it also brings a sense of 'equality' into the school. If everyone is dressed the same, people cant be laughed at for wearing non-designer clothes/ wearing the same clothes a few times a week because they cant afford new clothes every month

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

'A good image' is just socially constructed, subjective nonsense though. Who defines that? When people care more about the 'image' of a school over the education of a child, their priorities need reassessing

Look, I can see the benefits to school uniforms and don't oppose them. But enforcing strict add-ons which are completely inconsequential (like wearing coats, scarves, having certain hair styles, make up etc) and being completely inflexible with the rules regardless of the context is backwards bull****. Sometimes freedom of expression and commonsense comes before 'rules'. Humans are humans, not mindless cogs in a wheel there to obey every order ever created

No I completely agree about the strictness concerning additional things like shoes and socks and stuff, that's ridiculous, my headmistress one sent someone home to change because they were wearing bright orange socks, that is lunacy, but the basic uniform that everyone has to wear, I stand by, no matter how ugly said uniform is.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Not only that, it also brings a sense of 'equality' into the school. If everyone is dressed the same, people cant be laughed at for wearing non-designer clothes/ wearing the same clothes a few times a week because they cant afford new clothes every month

Also this, uniforms just make sense in every way.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No I completely agree about the strictness concerning additional things like shoes and socks and stuff, that's ridiculous, my headmistress one sent someone home to change because they were wearing bright orange socks, that is lunacy, but the basic uniform that everyone has to wear, I stand by, no matter how ugly said uniform is.

But being inflexible with the rules regardless of the context is also just as bad. It was nearing the end of the academic year, temps were floating around 30c, I don't think it's unreasonable to allow people to wear shorts for the day. People won't learn or concentrate when they feel uncomfortable and that should be the priority

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

'A good image' is just socially constructed, subjective nonsense though. Who defines that? When people care more about the 'image' of a school over the education of a child, their priorities need reassessing

Look, I can see the benefits to school uniforms and don't oppose them. But enforcing strict add-ons which are completely inconsequential (like wearing coats, scarves, having certain hair styles, make up etc) and being completely inflexible with the rules regardless of the context is backwards bull****. Sometimes freedom of expression and commonsense comes before 'rules'. Humans are humans, not mindless cogs in a wheel there to obey every order ever created

I agree, it seems like the school is acting as a business or a brand rather than a place of education when they enforce silly rules like this.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Not only that, it also brings a sense of 'equality' into the school. If everyone is dressed the same, people cant be laughed at for wearing non-designer clothes/ wearing the same clothes a few times a week because they cant afford new clothes every month

But the current uniform is not giving students no equality in any way.. if they made them all wear only trousers then that's equality but girls can wear skirts which is optional for them but boys only have one option which is trousers. I'm all for people wearing uniform but in fairness and not discrimination.

If girls can wear skirts then they need to make school shorts for boys if not skirts should be banned.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Not only that, it also brings a sense of 'equality' into the school. If everyone is dressed the same, people cant be laughed at for wearing non-designer clothes/ wearing the same clothes a few times a week because they cant afford new clothes every month

However..then it becomes a case of who has a designer backpack, who brings the brand new ipod into school...who has an expensive school coat, etc etc.

The actual uniform stuff I do kind of understand despite not following it myself Its the haircuts, makeup, etc that I really dont get and it comes across as schools just trying to be awkward

[Jack.]

Good on them!! I find it stupid how schools have the rule that shorts can not be worn. Wearing a part of shorts aren't going to affect the child's education is it.

[reece(:]

The debate isn't about uniform in general though, it's about permitting an alteration on a hot summer day which should be entirely fair.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by reece(:

The debate isn't about uniform in general though, it's about permitting an alteration on a hot summer day which should be entirely fair.

exactly

and about the sexism of female members having an alternative to pants that male members do not

[Crimson Dynamo]

well they are on their far too long summer holidays now so noone will care, least not the teachers..

[_Tom_]

There's definitely a need for school uniform - especially if you don't come from a wealthy family. Mufti day was usually bad enough, but if I'd have had to come in my own clothes everyday it just would have been more ammunition for bullies because I wouldn't have the top trainers etc.

In this case I don't see why they wouldn't permit shorts for boys - they usually make shorts with the same material the trousers are made from. I see no issue in that.

[Amy Jade]

I had to wear full length pants in work on the hottest day of the year with no air con so i'm not overly sympathetic

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I was grateful for uniform at my school. I went to grammar school and as I was on a free scholarship amongst pretty damn wealthy families every day would have been a nightmare in the clothes stakes. Twice a year non uniform day was stressful enough. Uniform stops any petty **** about who has the best clothes etc.

I've got nothing against uniform as a principle but some schools take it way too far, like getting sent home for having a tiny logo on a shoe is a joke

[LukeB]

I still don't get the "it's part of the rules" yes it's part of the rules which is stating the obvious but it's about these lads being told off and being put in isolation for wearing PE shorts WHICH has their school logo on which is still representing the school but was allowed to wear skirts.. These boys have the right to fight against discrimination so I don't get why they are in the wrong. If you want something done then you need to fight for it which is what these boys are doing instead of whining to their parents or on social media because writing your thoughts isn;t going to get you anywhere. school trousers material can be made into shorts and it should be an option for boys like skirts are an option for girls otherwise it's not equal and it's actually being sexist.

[Ammi]

...this to me is no different to females in their workplace being expected to suffer discomfort in wearing heels and flat shoes being banned, which Nicola Thorp brought to parliament so very much something that I think unreasonable and something the students should make a stand about...rules are not always right/not always fair etc and should always be open to review and changeable...I mean, that's what we're teaching our children in schools to 'free think' individual situations and in consideration of other factors and the intense heat this week being a huge factor...


...mind you, I'm always a little sceptical about these stories as portrayed in the media in general because I know that they're often not as portrayed and especially when a school doesn't make comment, we only ever have one side as it were and it's also important to know exactly what the conversations were that took place etc...I also hope that they applied sunscreen to their legs because that sun was relentless...

[arista]

"we only ever have one side as it were and it's also important to know exactly what the conversations were that took place etc.."

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Ka Ching.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LukeB

If girls can wear skirts at school then why can't boys wear shorts! good on them.

The headmistress said that they can wear any part of the agreed school uniform, so the shorts MUST be okay to wear. Good on the lads for creative thinking.