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Old 23-07-2016, 09:34 AM #51
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I did not particularly want Laura to go. For some strange reason, I liked her - much preferring her to the other young women in the house, Emma, Evelyn, Lateysha, and Georgina - and finding her far more interesting, attractive and sexy.

But all those claiming that some type of misogyny or sexism is responsible for her eviction, need to stop and think again.

Jayne and Evelyn are not only STILL in the house, but Jayne - a woman - is THE key to why Laura has gone.

Jayne has a dubious past - stripper, paramour to high profile married men, kiss-and-tell - all factors which should have GUARANTEED public disdain and HM reservation, if not outright disrespect and prejudice.

Instead Jayne has won the respect and admiration of both the public, and the majority of her HM's, in addition to being one of THE strongest candidates to actually WIN BB.

And, whether her conduct inside the house is the result of very adept 'Game Playing' or how she REALLY is, it is precisely that conduct which has seen Jayne reverse any public adverse preconceptions and dislike, and cement her place in the final.

Jayne's achievement is more commendable still, when one considers, that she is not particularly attractive looking and - at 49 years old - is far from 'the first bloom of youth'.

She still has, however, long shapely legs and a 'youthful' figure, and though she has not been averse to wearing bikinis, she has NOT paraded herself naked or displayed the intimate parts of her anatomy for the camera a la Laura and others.

Jayne HAS carried herself with dignity and conveyed moral integrity throughout her time in the house, and has participated in tasks and tomfoolery alike, with gusto and a sense of fun.

Just as importantly, she has ceded to the 'dramatic' nature of the BB beast and at times 'thrown her tantrums' (in best Nikki Grahame fashion) and indulged in the Diary Room hokum of "I want to leave", but such times have been carefully 'measured' to whet the viewing appetite not satiate it.

Laura, on the other hand, has done virtually EVERYTHING wrong.

She alienated a great number of the public prior to her even setting foot in the house by arrogantly proclaiming:

"I can get any man in the house who I want to".

Once in the house, she was almost immediately WILLINGLY complicit in near pornographic exhibitionism with the spoilt, drug addled, crazy, Marco Pierre White Jnr - who is sadly a candidate for an early death from OD or permanent mental insanity, if ever there was one.

Perhaps Laura was seduced by that great BB misapprehension, that a 'showmance' guarantees longevity and the best chance of winning, and perhaps - driven by that 'Gold Digging' streak which too many good looking women seem to possess now, AND blinded by her own conceit - she really DID believe that Marco's interest in her was GENUINE and that he was not just using her submissive compliance as a means to prove his 'pulling power' to the world to feed his massive ego.

In any event, Laura was not seduced, she was a WILLING partner - even initiating further sexual coupling AFTER supposedly admitting that what she had done was 'wrong' and 'out of character' and that it would not happen again.

And it is THIS hypocrisy which has remained in the minds of some of the viewers.

Of course, it did not help her popularity, that Marco wrongfully bore the brunt of their 'porno shows', by being evicted for his troubles, leaving Laura 'Scot Free' to sit in the house to 'rewrite history' in a blatant exercise of 'damage limitation'.

Alas, the 'damage' was done, and another significant number of Marco fans would not forget.

As the 'unsavoury' incidents with Marco faded, Laura did manage to restore some lost popularity by largely keeping her clothes ON, and acting with a little more dignity, but chiefly by forming a friendship with Evelyn - who thus far, had acted with greater dignity and who seemed more popular.

Laura though, blotted her copybook, by continually whining during conversations with other HM's and in her conversations in the Diary Room - and the 'sub text' of all those little speeches was that she was 'hard done by'.

Laura could have learnt a lot from the older, more savvy Jayne, and if she had, she would have still been in the house, and the abhorrent Bob Marley/Dappy hybrid Jackson would have - rightly - been toast.

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It may appear to any member reading this post, that because I have somewhat eulogised Jayne, that I support her, but I do not.

I do however RESPECT her for the way she has conducted herself in the house, and for the way she has 'Played The Game', and I believe in telling the truth as I see it.

It is a great pity that the Jason haters on here do not share that same sense of fairness.

Good post and thought provoking.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I like Jayne and think she is 'bang on' even at 49!! I would like her even more if it wasn't for her penchant of chasing men with money and then getting used and feeling disenchanted with the whole process.

I think with all housemates, what you see is what you get, you cannot hide forever. Deep down, Jayne is a good girl, with good morals and a kind heart and that shines through. Yes, she has clearly made mistakes and it's probably her 'young at heart' attitude that gets her into trouble chasing men with money- who knows, I don't know enough her about her. What I do know is she's bright, amusing, articulate, and has a kind soul and does care about others.

In contrast- Laura is the complete antithesis to her. I personally don't find her attractive in the least. More so she has a selfish persona and soul. She's all for survival at any cost. What's in it for me. She never looks beyond herself, self gratification at every turn. Hence for jumping out of a completely good marriage to a bloke that was good. For what reason? She was bored. I tell you, this girl is heading for a fall if she doesn't change her ways. I guarantee you she will meet up with Marco, there will also a fake meeting with the guy from South America which will be FAKE...Hey, but anything to keep the coffers rolling in.


I disagree with you one thing though Kirk, the reason why Laura is out of the house isn't because of Jayne, or Sam or Evelyn it's because of Laura. You fell in to the trap that she has been peddling for the last few weeks- deflection. She needs to be aware of her actions and how they have consequences. She has this great tendency to almost have an outer body experience and comment in the third person as if it is not her she is referring to.She is totally un-natural, always scheming, at every turn you can see the cogs turning, she was always trying to play for air time but didn't have the intellect, the humour or the know how to be of worthy news content for the final cut and when they did show her she was either whining or making things up. Take the 'dream' for instance, I have never heard as much horse sh!t coming out of one BB HM's cake hole as that little performance. Desperate for attention- sinking faster than a proverbial lead weight.

Even last night, she was talking as if it was someone else, " Oh, I thought they would get behind a down to earth, cheeky Northern girl" or words to that effect.


I would love Jayne to win, because out of all of them she is the most rounded and the least offensive of the remaining house mates, sadly it's been a shoe in from day 1 that Hughie was going to take the crown.

The whole format needs changing because if Hughie does win then it's still a popularity contest and really a waste of time and energy getting annoyed and worked up about this whole charade. I long for the day when someone, is allowed skill fully to fcuk others over and win. with out BB meddling or sh!t stirring etc. Someone we all hate but has the wit and know how to take the crown.
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She was trash in the first week, fine and harmless and often quite amusing for the rest of the time, but the last two weeks she's been heading towards trash again, what with all the Sam stuff and ranting about the audience, while I found that bit justified, obviously people weren't going to like her for it.
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Laura and Marco behaved like a couple of sluts and some people can't handle that but her comment on BOTS that it's always the girl who gets the blame is absolute rubbish.... The boy got the blame not the girl... She lasted 6 weeks longer than he did... Neither did anything wrong in playing around with each other IMO but if he got blamed for it then she should have gone straight after he did....she should be pleased she lasted so long not belly aching about it.
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She didnt do too much wrong but her attitude pretty much stank. The final nail in her coffin was the sanctimonious whinging and moaning. She came across as very self centered and a bit narcissistic.
Ignore it all you like or try and blame it on something else but thats why she got the boot.
pretty much

add to that she was as superficial as a shallow puddle on a pavement that quickly dries up and it's no surprise she got voted out.

she's hardly mass-murderer hated - there's just not that much to her to tip the odds in her favour when she chooses to act the martyr
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Laura and Marco behaved like a couple of sluts and some people can't handle that but her comment on BOTS that it's always the girl who gets the blame is absolute rubbish.... The boy got the blame not the girl... She lasted 6 weeks longer than he did... Neither did anything wrong in playing around with each other IMO but if he got blamed for it then she should have gone straight after he did....she should be pleased she lasted so long not belly aching about it.
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I can't believe you have to ask. .. just look at her "best bits"Emma showed her last night even Laura was shocked and embarrassed, telling the public to go and f..k off plus saying she could get any man she wanted,these comments don't win you any votes with the public. .imo
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Laura and Marco behaved like a couple of sluts and some people can't handle that but her comment on BOTS that it's always the girl who gets the blame is absolute rubbish.... The boy got the blame not the girl... She lasted 6 weeks longer than he did... Neither did anything wrong in playing around with each other IMO but if he got blamed for it then she should have gone straight after he did....she should be pleased she lasted so long not belly aching about it.
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Good post and thought provoking.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I like Jayne and think she is 'bang on' even at 49!! I would like her even more if it wasn't for her penchant of chasing men with money and then getting used and feeling disenchanted with the whole process.

I think with all housemates, what you see is what you get, you cannot hide forever. Deep down, Jayne is a good girl, with good morals and a kind heart and that shines through. Yes, she has clearly made mistakes and it's probably her 'young at heart' attitude that gets her into trouble chasing men with money- who knows, I don't know enough her about her. What I do know is she's bright, amusing, articulate, and has a kind soul and does care about others.

In contrast- Laura is the complete antithesis to her. I personally don't find her attractive in the least. More so she has a selfish persona and soul. She's all for survival at any cost. What's in it for me. She never looks beyond herself, self gratification at every turn. Hence for jumping out of a completely good marriage to a bloke that was good. For what reason? She was bored. I tell you, this girl is heading for a fall if she doesn't change her ways. I guarantee you she will meet up with Marco, there will also a fake meeting with the guy from South America which will be FAKE...Hey, but anything to keep the coffers rolling in.


I disagree with you one thing though Kirk, the reason why Laura is out of the house isn't because of Jayne, or Sam or Evelyn it's because of Laura. You fell in to the trap that she has been peddling for the last few weeks- deflection. She needs to be aware of her actions and how they have consequences. She has this great tendency to almost have an outer body experience and comment in the third person as if it is not her she is referring to.She is totally un-natural, always scheming, at every turn you can see the cogs turning, she was always trying to play for air time but didn't have the intellect, the humour or the know how to be of worthy news content for the final cut and when they did show her she was either whining or making things up. Take the 'dream' for instance, I have never heard as much horse sh!t coming out of one BB HM's cake hole as that little performance. Desperate for attention- sinking faster than a proverbial lead weight.

Even last night, she was talking as if it was someone else, " Oh, I thought they would get behind a down to earth, cheeky Northern girl" or words to that effect.


I would love Jayne to win, because out of all of them she is the most rounded and the least offensive of the remaining house mates, sadly it's been a shoe in from day 1 that Hughie was going to take the crown.

The whole format needs changing because if Hughie does win then it's still a popularity contest and really a waste of time and energy getting annoyed and worked up about this whole charade. I long for the day when someone, is allowed skill fully to fcuk others over and win. with out BB meddling or sh!t stirring etc. Someone we all hate but has the wit and know how to take the crown.
A crackingly good post Delta.

Perhaps I did not write the point you object to as well as I should have; I did not mean to imply that Jayne was in any way to blame for Laura's demise, I just meant that the fact that Laura's Modus Operandi was the antithesis of Jaynes, was the key reason.
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She wasnt vanilla obviously, she got in a showmance with a tramp and got annoyed when Sam didnt save her which I think irritated a lot of people.. Why did she think she was better than Jayne?
Jayne is someone who, by her own admission, goes through peoples dirty laundry for a living. Hire her as a PI, and she'll be there with a torch at four in the morning, inspecting the rubbish bins. It's amusing to think that she'll get a taste of her own poison, now sh'es done so well on the show.
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Slut shamers of the world unite...sigh.
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Hate that Emma admitting the boos are likely because of the Marco situation... "But you're on tv" ... What the hell is the difference between Laura doing stuff on tv and Ryan/Hughie? The sexism and positive discrimination is real
Yeah. In the interview, it did seem a bit like Emma would have burned Laura as a witch if she could have done.
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I haven't seen a single episode of BOTS this summer but didn't Tina Malone go on last week and call Laura a slut and then the audience roared with applause and cheers?
I don't know if Malone called Laura a slut exactly, but it was something like that. What a lovable, earthy character Tina is! Such a shame when she was asked to leave Celebrity Masterchef the other week. Her cooking, it appears, is about as enjoyable as her personality.
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I don't know if Malone called Laura a slut exactly, but it was something like that. What a lovable, earthy character Tina is! Such a shame when she was asked to leave Celebrity Masterchef the other week. Her cooking, it appears, is about as enjoyable as her personality.
That rock ape shouldn't be allowed on the screen....she's a disgrace ....aggressive, unintelligent and ugly both inside and out.
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She was a woman who was moderately confident with herself.


.....And pretty.
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Jayne and Evelyn are still there :-P


I think there's another eviction tomorrow. I wouldn't be too surprised if Evelyn went.
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No, what's sad and demeaning is the fact that men are not held to the same standards as women are on Big Brother and the latter are chastised far more than the former, often for nothing at all.

I don't even care for Laura that much but there's no real reason why she should be booed as much as she has been or even evicted. The fact people are still holding things that happened six weeks ago against her says it all

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I haven't seen a single episode of BOTS this summer but didn't Tina Malone go on last week and call Laura a slut and then the audience roared with applause and cheers?

********** disgusting if she did. She'd get sued if it was me-in the real world, that sort of thing is illegal.

I hope people in the streets go up to her and call her a s*** to her face. See how funny/ok it is then to call someone a s***. ********** hypocrite.
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had sex with marco.which both of them have met before in the past.talks behind peoples back.can't handle being nominated.fantasy of meeting her one tru love and finally meeting him and there is 0 chemistry.Forcing evelyn to kiss alex even tho alex doesn't even like evenlyn like that. Plays up to cameras.
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had sex with marco.which both of them have met before in the past.talks behind peoples back.can't handle being nominated.fantasy of meeting her one tru love and finally meeting him and there is 0 chemistry.Forcing evelyn to kiss alex even tho alex doesn't even like evenlyn like that. Plays up to cameras.
All of the above....plus she did tell the live audience to go F-ck themselves they're hardly gonna sing Hip Hip Hooray are they ?
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.....And pretty.
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Hate that Emma admitting the boos are likely because of the Marco situation... "But you're on tv" ... What the hell is the difference between Laura doing stuff on tv and Ryan/Hughie? The sexism and positive discrimination is real
Hughie's got away with his behaviour because his entertaining with his arguments and natural wit which is missing in people like Laura.

And tbf Ryan got pulled up on a bigger priority imo with his sexism towards women.
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I did not particularly want Laura to go. For some strange reason, I liked her - much preferring her to the other young women in the house, Emma, Evelyn, Lateysha, and Georgina - and finding her far more interesting, attractive and sexy.

But all those claiming that some type of misogyny or sexism is responsible for her eviction, need to stop and think again.

Jayne and Evelyn are not only STILL in the house, but Jayne - a woman - is THE key to why Laura has gone.

Jayne has a dubious past - stripper, paramour to high profile married men, kiss-and-tell - all factors which should have GUARANTEED public disdain and HM reservation, if not outright disrespect and prejudice.

Instead Jayne has won the respect and admiration of both the public, and the majority of her HM's, in addition to being one of THE strongest candidates to actually WIN BB.

And, whether her conduct inside the house is the result of very adept 'Game Playing' or how she REALLY is, it is precisely that conduct which has seen Jayne reverse any public adverse preconceptions and dislike, and cement her place in the final.

Jayne's achievement is more commendable still, when one considers, that she is not particularly attractive looking and - at 49 years old - is far from 'the first bloom of youth'.

She still has, however, long shapely legs and a 'youthful' figure, and though she has not been averse to wearing bikinis, she has NOT paraded herself naked or displayed the intimate parts of her anatomy for the camera a la Laura and others.

Jayne HAS carried herself with dignity and conveyed moral integrity throughout her time in the house, and has participated in tasks and tomfoolery alike, with gusto and a sense of fun.

Just as importantly, she has ceded to the 'dramatic' nature of the BB beast and at times 'thrown her tantrums' (in best Nikki Grahame fashion) and indulged in the Diary Room hokum of "I want to leave", but such times have been carefully 'measured' to whet the viewing appetite not satiate it.

Laura, on the other hand, has done virtually EVERYTHING wrong.

She alienated a great number of the public prior to her even setting foot in the house by arrogantly proclaiming:

"I can get any man in the house who I want to".

Once in the house, she was almost immediately WILLINGLY complicit in near pornographic exhibitionism with the spoilt, drug addled, crazy, Marco Pierre White Jnr - who is sadly a candidate for an early death from OD or permanent mental insanity, if ever there was one.

Perhaps Laura was seduced by that great BB misapprehension, that a 'showmance' guarantees longevity and the best chance of winning, and perhaps - driven by that 'Gold Digging' streak which too many good looking women seem to possess now, AND blinded by her own conceit - she really DID believe that Marco's interest in her was GENUINE and that he was not just using her submissive compliance as a means to prove his 'pulling power' to the world to feed his massive ego.

In any event, Laura was not seduced, she was a WILLING partner - even initiating further sexual coupling AFTER supposedly admitting that what she had done was 'wrong' and 'out of character' and that it would not happen again.

And it is THIS hypocrisy which has remained in the minds of some of the viewers.

Of course, it did not help her popularity, that Marco wrongfully bore the brunt of their 'porno shows', by being evicted for his troubles, leaving Laura 'Scot Free' to sit in the house to 'rewrite history' in a blatant exercise of 'damage limitation'.

Alas, the 'damage' was done, and another significant number of Marco fans would not forget.

As the 'unsavoury' incidents with Marco faded, Laura did manage to restore some lost popularity by largely keeping her clothes ON, and acting with a little more dignity, but chiefly by forming a friendship with Evelyn - who thus far, had acted with greater dignity and who seemed more popular.

Laura though, blotted her copybook, by continually whining during conversations with other HM's and in her conversations in the Diary Room - and the 'sub text' of all those little speeches was that she was 'hard done by'.

Laura could have learnt a lot from the older, more savvy Jayne, and if she had, she would have still been in the house, and the abhorrent Bob Marley/Dappy hybrid Jackson would have - rightly - been toast.

DISCLAIMER:

It may appear to any member reading this post, that because I have somewhat eulogised Jayne, that I support her, but I do not.

I do however RESPECT her for the way she has conducted herself in the house, and for the way she has 'Played The Game', and I believe in telling the truth as I see it.

It is a great pity that the Jason haters on here do not share that same sense of fairness.
Fabulous post. Respect to you, Kirk.

You make a whole range of insightful and well reasoned points here, and as you say, you do so in an unbiased and fair way. I agree with absolutely everything you say here, and you have expressed these views so effectively.

No more to be said.

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Fabulous post. Respect to you, Kirk.

You make a whole range of insightful and well reasoned points here, and as you say, you do so in an unbiased and fair way. I agree with absolutely everything you say here, and you have expressed these views so effectively.

No more to be said.
Thank you Garfie. I really do appreciate feedback - especially the complimentary type.
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