[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

He has no manners the way he talks over people who are in conversations that don't involve him.....that, is what I find bad manners... and his lack of regard and respect for James and Grant while they nervously waited to hear their names last Friday showed how little consideration he has for people and what appalling manners he's got.

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

At least he's funny and entertaining,he doesn't go about shouting BOOM thinking the public are so shallow they think its enough to win the show with

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

He thinks the "Im a simpleton " vote will allow him the win ,how little does he know

I think it could sadly....people love a hard luck story and a victim....hence the complete over use and dilution of the word Bully.....som people are too fragile and sensitive to watch Big Brother, they should get Sky and watch re runs of the Waltons instead

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

At least he's funny and entertaining,he doesn't go about shouting BOOM thinking the public are so shallow they think its enough to win the show with

Oh so it's okay to have no consideration or respect for others now as long as you're entertaining and funny. I thought you said good manners was the be all and end all. I can't keep up with your hopping all over the place.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I think it's a misconception that by not defending Heavy D people are in turn defending Lewis....they each cut their own path to the aggressive situation in the garden, they were as bad as each other .... there aren't many who like Lewis any more than they like Heavy....In fact Heavy has way more support and followers....I think Heavy started that evenings resentment when he earlier offended Saira, Lewis then defended Saira and told Heavy he thought he was a really nasty man. Heavy had clearly got Lewis' back up, which, like Bear, he is very good at. Lewis then retaliated with the drinks situation and then Heavy retaliated by calling Marnie a liar.
Two people having an argument does not constitute bullying. Heavy D is an agitator not a victim of bullying. When housemates react to being wound up by Bear we don't accuse them of bullying him, so why do we do that with Heavy D ?

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Watch re - runs with an open mind.

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Have no idea what that means .... Prob cause you often pull out a random sentence so it changes its meaning while at the same time not actually responding to the post as a whole,....tbh I find it a bit childish when it's done so often by same people and would prefer or more considered and complete reaction to the complete post.

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

It means you are saying things in your post which you are seeing from the perspective that you don't like Heavy and are therefore unwilling to see that he was bullied on that occasion (which most of us can) and if you can manage to watch the footage again with an open mind you might realise that.

But I don't agree with you....I don't like Heavy, Lewis or Marnie...so I think that makes me more objective than other people who like one or all of them...I also don't consider the start of the problems to be the point where Heavy wanted some wine, I have a more open mind about it and I looked at what was also taking place leading up to that point....Sairas indignation over Heavys remarks, Lewis' contempt for the way Heavy spoke to her...Lewis previous remark that heavy is greedy and bad mannered.
It's logical that there has to be a reason for the resentment that was already in place when the drinks came out....every action has a reaction and the root of that situation goes a lot further back then the point where Marnie and Lewis hid the drinks.
People act like he is suddenly being resented by housemates for no reason and therefore being bullied and I know that is absolute rubbish .....have they forgot what a pain in the arse he was with Bear the first week....what a pig he was to Chloe...how aggressive he got with Bear when he thought Bear has vandalised his bed. This is no poor put upon victim....this is someone who was in the gang of wind up merchants himself then exiled himself by being a prick and now looks like a victim.
At least my villain of choice is accountable for it and owns it...

[Withano]

To be fair, Bear has genuinely victimised everybody in the house. I think Heavy has got it the worse.

Also these sort of threads should be closed. Why would you ask a question and argue at the answers.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

But I don't agree with you....I don't like Heavy, Lewis or Marnie...so I think that makes me more objective than other people who like one or all of them...I also don't consider the start of the problems to be the point where Heavy wanted some wine, I have a more open mind about it and I looked at what was also taking place leading up to that point....Sairas indignation over Heavys remarks, Lewis' contempt for the way Heavy spoke to her...Lewis previous remark that heavy is greedy and bad mannered.
It's logical that there has to be a reason for the resentment that was already in place when the drinks came out....every action has a reaction and the root of that situation goes a lot further back then the point where Marnie and Lewis hid the drinks.
People act like he is suddenly being resented by housemates for no reason and therefore being bullied and I know that is absolute rubbish .....have they forgot what a pain in the arse he was with Bear the first week....what a pig he was to Chloe...how aggressive he got with Bear when he thought Bear has vandalised his bed. This is no poor put upon victim....this is someone who was in the gang of wind up merchants himself then exiled himself by being a prick and now looks like a victim.
At least my villain of choice is accountable for it and owns it...

So are you saying that because Lewis didn't like the way Heavy spoke to Siara, it was okay for Lewis to bully him?

Are you saying that it is not okay for him to say what he did to Chloe, yet okay for Bear to treat her badly and to cheat on his GF and dump her on national TV?

Are you saying it wasn't understandable why he got aggressive with Bear when he thought he had vandalised his bed, even though Bear had been messing around and pranking non - stop?

Are you saying that Heavy has to be perfect and do nothing wrong ever, while Bear gets away with being a selfish, unpleasant, irritating cheater with no respect for women?

You list the few things that Heavy has done that has affected the HM's.
Why don't you make a list of all the things Bear has done that has affected them?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, and Bear has so much consideration for others, has regard and respect for others, and has impeccable manners. I finally understand why you like him. NOT.
I just can't even.....

You're missing the point....Bear and Heavy are the same but one is good at it and one isn't...and one is owning it and one isn't....when people go for Bear because he annoys them why don't you call them bullies......don't you get it ?
I don't think anyone are bullies but if that's the term you like so much then let's use it....
One of the Bullies has upset the other bullies and now he's on his own....

Am I shocked...No
Do I feel Sorry for him - No

[hot2go]

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

You're missing the point....Bear and Heavy are the same but one is good at it and one isn't...and one is owning it and one isn't....when people go for Bear because he annoys them why don't you call them bullies......don't you get it ?
I don't think anyone are bullies but if that's the term you like so much then let's use it....
One of the Bullies has upset the other bullies and now he's on his own....

Am I shocked...No
Do I feel Sorry for him - No

When did anyone steal drink which Bear was entitled to and make him beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass?
When did anyone stand over him with a foot on his bed and demand he tell them nice things about themselves and make him repeat their name over and over? I haven't seen anyone try to demean and humiliate him like that...

Heavy doesn't antagonise and poke and prod people for sheer badness and nothing like to the extent that Bear does, there very often is truth in what he says, (like what he said about Siara poking her nose in). Bear goes out of his way to get people riled up and angry and yet I haven't seen him being bullied.... He and Lewis were picking on and trying to demean Heavy from Day one, that seems to be forgotten now.
Tell me when Bear was bullied several times, demeaned and degraded on a par with what has been inflicted on Heavy.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

How can Bear be seen as a victim when hasn't been bullied?

What you are saying is nobody should ever complain when someone is being humiliated and demeaned because that will make people call them a victim....just say nothing...let it carry on and look away....

I really can't go on debating with you, I'm feeling quite sick now.

[Dia]

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dia

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

He didn't force her. But he was wrong to do that. I think we all agreed on that. Yuck!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

The difference in Bear and Heavy and any similarities in the things they do wrong is that Bear isn't being portrayed as a victim by his fans.....we know Bear is a little sh-t, that's why we like watching him....we are not the ones in denial here....people claiming Heavy is a vulnerable victim is as ridiculous as Bear being considered a vulnerable victim.

Heavy D is a little Sh-t and two people took against him the other night. He had it coming to him. If Bear had been in his position and two people had taken against him, he too would of had it coming and I would say exactly the same thing. The difference is if two people had treated Bear like that none of us would be having these conversations would we ?

Even placid james ranted about him when he nominated him ,and if he can get on laid back James nerves can you imagine what he's like if you're NOT laid back ?

[rubymoo]

I wouldn't say he was a victim, he can more than hold his own! I think he's a wind up but there's more of a soul in him than in bear, I think what he gives out he's got back, and I think there's more to him than meets the eye, I think his loud persona hides a very sad man with low esteem.

[chuff me dizzy]

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy...t-again-day-13

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Dia

He's a 43-year-old man who wanted to hook up with a 25-year-old and when she said she wasn't interested in him he forced her to wash his dirty underwear

After calling her "IT!"

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

When did anyone steal drink which Bear was entitled to and make him beg and say please and thank you for a half drunk glass?
When did anyone stand over him with a foot on his bed and demand he tell them nice things about themselves and make him repeat their name over and over? I haven't seen anyone try to demean and humiliate him like that...

Heavy doesn't antagonise and poke and prod people for sheer badness and nothing like to the extent that Bear does, there very often is truth in what he says, (like what he said about Siara poking her nose in). Bear goes out of his way to get people riled up and angry and yet I haven't seen him being bullied.... He and Lewis were picking on and trying to demean Heavy from Day one, that seems to be forgotten now.
Tell me when Bear was bullied several times, demeaned and degraded on a par with what has been inflicted on Heavy.

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

Difference being Bear is funny D is not

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Just look and listen to the sheer ignorance of this pratt ,and waiting for the pity chasing "Im the underdog" getting dropped into it

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/heavy...t-again-day-13

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Someone should be winding bear up and confronting him, he deserves it same as Heavy does...I don't know why he's escaped that....like I said tho, Heavy and Bear both started out being as bad as each other but Bear is better at it and Heavy has now found himself on the outside....a big reason for that was how he treated Chloe and how he reacted when she rejected him....Lewis and Bear weren't picking on Heavy from day one it was Heavy and Bear that were the double act and Heavy loved it....ask James....I am not trying to say Bear is an angel I'm trying to say that neither is Heavy.... I know what a wind up and little sh-t bear is but people don't think that Heavy is and that I don't get cause I see very little difference. If people like heavy because he's a wind up merchant than that makes sense, it's def the reason I like watching Bear...but if I kept trying to tell people I like Bear cause he's a nice lad and he's a victim it would make no sense...so when people say that about Heavy it makes no sense to me.

It's because everyone is afraid of him.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I loved how Ricky pointed out that Heavy does the same as what Lewis does and then they both proceeded to argue over Ricky to prove their points whilst he was talking.....i actually think that Ricky is the underdog, he's certainly fast becoming one of my favourites

Ricky an underdog ? hes fav to win and SO bloody arrogant ,he's attached himself to the sink to stop himself getting nominated and kissed everyones arses ,he's FAR from the underdog IMO James is that