[anne666]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The Oxford English dictionary defines race as a group of persons connected by common descent. That's good enough for me.

Everyone who doesn't share your pessimistic view is deluded then?

English is an ethnicity, not a race. The race classification of English people is obviously varied but mainly caucasian.
There are only four "major" races, caucasian, negroid or black, australoid and mongoloid or asian.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Closed for cleaning, can I ask people to just stick to discussing the topic and not eachother when i reopen this. It's not that hard, surely?

It isn't, but don't call me surely

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It isn't, but don't call me surely

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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I love that line from Airplane, just couldn't resist

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I love that line from Airplane, just couldn't resist

Genuinely made me burst out laughing Cherie. (Wish I'd thought of it. )

[Niamh.]

I love that film

[Mystic Mock]

The EU is like the USA, it's the United States Of Europe and all of the countries in there are States that help run the country.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The 'ENGLISH'? This is THE UNITED KINGDOM or GREAT BRITAIN. AND one can CERTAINLY 'trust' the civilised, moderate, and BIG HEARTED 'English', FAR MORE, than one can trust most of the other countries in the world.

Corruption has ALWAYS been a part of ALL countries political systems - from the birth of democracy - but it is not as rife in THIS country as in most other countries of the world.

Personally, in my opinion, 'Human Rights' is a hackneyed little phrase which is all too often pulled out of too many 'Hats' like white Rabbits whenever anyone with an axe to grind against DEMOCRACY or GREAT BRITAIN needs any old reason to justify their stance.

I am sick of hearing and seeing the phrase.

Describing the English like that is almost like pleading for other people to see it that way because you deep down know that it's not all rosey in England at the minute and that's to do with the Government running this country encouraging hatred and paranoia amongst each other so nobody questions the laws that they're either trying to pass through, or they've already passed through.

And an even bigger question, what is the UK's plan post-EU again?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

More anti British rubbish.You think the EU are'nt corrupt in any way?Or that it's somehow democratic?The UK showed them what democracy was when we voted get out of their dictatorial organisation and it seems we've done it at the right time.

The EU does have it's problems no doubt about it, but it's an unnecessary risk when all we could've done was have a Referendum on how to reform the EU to our liking, not leave it.

And good luck getting democracy under this Government, with Corbyn about to stand for Labour again we've got a third term of more Tories picking on the working class with no restraints from either Lib Dems or The EU, more ridiculous taxes like the Sugar Tax, and more Authoritarian ristrictions on the Internet.

Oh and we might get Blood Sport back, wohoo!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well there at least two cases on the news that might or might not be vile prejudices as they haven't actually mentioned any evidence they were race related apart from the victim being polish. Unfortunately crime happens every day and it isn't always racially motivated no matter where the people originate from or indeed anything to with the EU. Stephan Lawrence's murder was a vile prejudice for instance and deserves justice.

If you are English hating over the EU referendum, don't forget to include the Welsh, and the 39% of Scots who voted to leave plus the NIs who voted same. Or it sounds like you are just picking on one race. Which makes you guilty of the very thing that is upsetting you.

Scotland and NI voted to stay overwhelmingly, that's the very definition of undemocratic to not let them stay in the EU.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Scotland and NI voted to stay overwhelmingly, that's the very definition of undemocratic to not let them stay in the EU.

That's ridiculous. You can't please all of the people all the time so you go with the majority vote. That's democracy, everyone has a fair and equal chance to win the vote. When you don't, accept it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The Oxford English dictionary defines race as a group of persons connected by common descent. That's good enough for me.

Everyone who doesn't share your pessimistic view is deluded then?

You can think that but it doesn't change the fact that english is a nationality and not a race, english people don't all share one common genealogy but people of the same race do.

Your last point is combative to the extreme, stick to discussing my post and not getting personal by attributing your own impressions to my intent.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's ridiculous. You can't please all of the people all the time so you go with the majority vote. That's democracy, everyone has a fair and equal chance to win the vote. When you don't, accept it.

Well explain that to the two countries that have been pulled out of the EU against their will?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well explain that to the two countries that have been pulled out of the EU against their will?

And the 39% of Scots who wanted to leave the EU?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well explain that to the two countries that have been pulled out of the EU against their will?

They are not separate countries though, they are not members of the EU as Scotland etc, they are members of the EU as the UK, which is one body. You are making an artificial division.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's ridiculous. You can't please all of the people all the time so you go with the majority vote. That's democracy, everyone has a fair and equal chance to win the vote. When you don't, accept it.

Mock didn't vote and yet he's posted a myriad of posts criticising the result. You can do that when you live in a free, democratic country.

A word on race... when people say you can't be racist against the English because English is not a race... I think we all know what they mean. Maybe, technically, the term is anti-English. Race is a sticky issue. Jews think of themselves as a race although technically they are not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Mock didn't vote and yet he's posted a myriad of posts criticising the result. You can do that when you live in a free, democratic country.

A word on race... when people say you can't be racist against the English because English is not a race... I think we all know what they mean. Maybe, technically, the term is anti-English. Race is a sticky issue. Jews think of themselves as a race although technically they are not.

Xenophobic

[Tom4784]

If we were to go by the typical rules of elections and political votes, the result of Brexit wouldn't be enough to declare a majority. It's fair to question the democracy of it all when almost half of the voters voted against the result.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If we were to go by the typical rules of elections and political votes, the result of Brexit wouldn't be enough to declare a majority. It's fair to question the democracy of it all when almost half of the voters voted against the result.

The rules of the referendum were clear before the vote though, one can't shout that's not fair afterwards - and I was a remain supporter.

The same logic could be applied to Scotlands independence referendum. Not enough people voted to remain in the UK to not justify independence .... When the rules are clear, its up to the voters to get the results they want for victory

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The rules of the referendum were clear before the vote though, one can't shout that's not fair afterwards - and I was a remain supporter.

The same logic could be applied to Scotlands independence referendum. Not enough people voted to remain in the UK to not justify independence .... When the rules are clear, its up to the voters to get the results they want for victory

Was it really made clear though? You can't blame people for not being happy about a major decision being made when a majority wasn't reached for either option.

It's a flawed referendum regardless of the winner. Future referendums should be based on majorities. It's not really a victory for either option if the vote is basically split down the middle.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Was it really made clear though? You can't blame people for not being happy about a major decision being made when a majority wasn't reached for either option.

It's a flawed referendum regardless of the winner. Future referendums should be based on majorities. It's not really a victory for either option if the vote is basically split down the middle.

i'm still of the opinion that its all a load of bluster. In or out, we still have to trade with people, we still want to go to european countries to live and work, so we have to reciprocate. That's what life in the big world is, i think many are in for a shock. We can't turn the clock back 40 years independent of the rest of the world.

[Scarlett.]

Honestly having an EU army wouldn't be such a terrible idea, given how Russia have been slowly edging back to their insanity days.