[Kizzy]

Yep I'd say it was a mix of post war affluence and social conditioning that has led to the obsession with 'stuff'... people feel a real need to have lot's and lots of 'stuff'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep I'd say it was a mix of post war affluence and social conditioning that has led to the obsession with 'stuff'... people feel a real need to have lot's and lots of 'stuff'.

I was thinking about this when I was out food shopping tonight.
From birth till the age of around six its called our "formative" years. These indeed are the years we are programmed or formatted by our parents and relatives and child minders or nurseries. A lot of children today are being programmed to believe consumerism is normal and expected way of life. The competition to "have" is bigger than its ever been.

I wonder how that will sit with our future.

[DemolitionRed]

So Democracy is driven by the need for personal freedom... Life… liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but democracy starts to crumble when the tyranny becomes the majority.

My question is, who is the tyrant !?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

So Democracy is driven by the need for personal freedom... Life… liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but democracy starts to crumble when the tyranny becomes the majority.

My question is, who is the tyrant !?

Dictatorships are tyranny. Some try to suggest democracy leads to tyranny, so why don't those suggesting this offer up a viable alternative then. Maybe because they can't. What most people realise is that democracy is way more preferable to a dictatorship.

[the truth]

liberalism is the path to hell

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

neoliberalism is the path to hell

Glad we agree

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Glad we agree

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Glad we agree

way to abuse your position with mis quotes

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

way to abuse your position with mis quotes

My position? Am I above you then?

Am I your boss now?



Please say it's so

[Kizzy]

What a guy

Youtube video

[jaxie]

Power corrupts. At face value communism looked like a great idea and look how that turned out. History is full of regimes with good intentions that turned into dictatorships.

Democracy is as good as it's ever going to get.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Power corrupts. At face value communism looked like a great idea and look how that turned out. History is full of regimes with good intentions that turned into dictatorships.

Democracy is as good as it's ever going to get.

at least it limits the loony left to 5 year terms

[Kizzy]

I don't believe that for a second... PC is a blanket term for absolutely anything that is counter to the media inspired standpoint on any given topic.
It has no specific meaning, there has been opposition to the word 'bigot' yet this has a set definition, a criterion, if you make a statement that is by definition bigoted then stand by that and own it... don't cry nonsense words.

PC or politically correct is for me a term that infers something was legislated for and passed into law, if you are politically correct you are acting within the remit of the law...is this not a civil duty, so to go against this would this not be an act of civil disobedience?

'PC supporters, by behaving in a manner in common with those they deride, have done no favours for the minority groups they proport to defend'

What does this mean?... We will attack minority groups even though it is against the law and if you object then you are just making things worse?.... I don't understand, is this another way of saying 'put up and shut up? be complacent? compliant?

I am not 'PC' I am a free thinker, it is a tool of social control to attach labels to things to create folk devils, such as PC , SJW these can then be used to group individuals together who are totally unconnected to make it easier to rail against them.

Those who oppose the mistreatment of any minority group are not to blame for the rise of authoritarianism more those who allowed themselves to be manipulated into thinking that this was a right and proper thing to do on a civil, legal and human level. My feeling is that those against those who aren't is more than likely to do with guilt... they know deep down that it's wrong but it makes them feel bad to be constantly reminded of it. Hence the blanket terms and derision.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe that for a second... PC is a blanket term for absolutely anything that is counter to the media inspired standpoint on any given topic.
It has no specific meaning, there has been opposition to the word 'bigot' yet this has a set definition, a criterion, if you make a statement that is by definition bigoted then stand by that and own it... don't cry nonsense words.

PC or politically correct is for me a term that infers something was legislated for and passed into law, if you are politically correct you are acting within the remit of the law...is this not a civil duty, so to go against this would this not be an act of civil disobedience?

'PC supporters, by behaving in a manner in common with those they deride, have done no favours for the minority groups they proport to defend'

What does this mean?... We will attack minority groups even though it is against the law and if you object then you are just making things worse?.... I don't understand, is this another way of saying 'put up and shut up? be complacent? compliant?

I am not 'PC' I am a free thinker, it is a tool of social control to attach labels to things to create folk devils, such as PC , SJW these can then be used to group individuals together who are totally unconnected to make it easier to rail against them.

Those who oppose the mistreatment of any minority group are not to blame for the rise of authoritarianism more those who allowed themselves to be manipulated into thinking that this was a right and proper thing to do on a civil, legal and human level. My feeling is that those against those who aren't is more than likely to do with guilt... they know deep down that it's wrong but it makes them feel bad to be constantly reminded of it. Hence the blanket terms and derision.

In brief it means without PC and its attempted gagging of 'free speech' when not in keeping with it's own way of thinking, which has undermined its position with its hypocrisy, a backlash against the principles it claims to uphold would not have been the inevitable result.

It isn't so much about objecting but how people go about objecting. Effectively attempting to gag one type of free speech for another was always going to be a disaster.

Btw we are all free-thinkers but only some of us it seems want to be able to have the right to express free thought.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

In brief it means without PC and its attempted gagging of 'free speech' when not in keeping with it's own way of thinking, which has undermined its position with its hypocrisy, a backlash against the principles it claims to uphold would not have been the inevitable result.

It isn't so much about objecting but how people go about objecting. Effectively attempting to gag one type of free speech for another was always going to be a disaster.

Btw we are all free-thinkers but only some of us it seems want to be able to have the right to express free thought.

It is the state who have gagged... if you are referring to the hate laws.
The state is in the driving seat, individuals cannot be collectively a PC... no two individuals have the same views on the same issues, therefor all you have are a bunch of people thinking for themselves.
It is not a backlash against any one group or individual it is a backlash then against the state, these people are simply convenient scapegoats as to backlash against the government is just far too scary a prospect...

If you want to say something say it! don't gust whinge like a girl because you feel you're not allowed because of 'PC' because 'PC' does not exist!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't believe that for a second... PC is a blanket term for absolutely anything that is counter to the media inspired standpoint on any given topic.
It has no specific meaning, there has been opposition to the word 'bigot' yet this has a set definition, a criterion, if you make a statement that is by definition bigoted then stand by that and own it... don't cry nonsense words.

PC or politically correct is for me a term that infers something was legislated for and passed into law, if you are politically correct you are acting within the remit of the law...is this not a civil duty, so to go against this would this not be an act of civil disobedience?

'PC supporters, by behaving in a manner in common with those they deride, have done no favours for the minority groups they proport to defend'

What does this mean?... We will attack minority groups even though it is against the law and if you object then you are just making things worse?.... I don't understand, is this another way of saying 'put up and shut up? be complacent? compliant?

I am not 'PC' I am a free thinker, it is a tool of social control to attach labels to things to create folk devils, such as PC , SJW these can then be used to group individuals together who are totally unconnected to make it easier to rail against them.

Those who oppose the mistreatment of any minority group are not to blame for the rise of authoritarianism more those who allowed themselves to be manipulated into thinking that this was a right and proper thing to do on a civil, legal and human level. My feeling is that those against those who aren't is more than likely to do with guilt... they know deep down that it's wrong but it makes them feel bad to be constantly reminded of it. Hence the blanket terms and derision.

The word 'bigot' may have a set definition but people apply that definition according to their own perception of what they think someone means or an agenda - it certainly doesn't make the use of the word in any given situation correct.

As for the mistreatment of any minority group - again that often comes down to perception/agenda. Wanting to protect the quality of life in their own country and protect British culture and identity is not 'mistreating' minority groups however much PC twists things, using derisive and blanket terms in an attempt to gag their freedom of speech.

Not wanting certain religions to have their own laws and indulge in behaviours that flout our equality laws is not mistreatment of minorities it is standing up for our own beliefs and way of life and not allowing those to be mistreated by minority groups who have no respect for them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The word 'bigot' may have a set definition but people apply that definition according to their own perception of what they think someone means or an agenda - it certainly doesn't make the use of the word in any given situation correct.

As for the mistreatment of any minority group - again that often comes down to perception/agenda. Wanting to protect the quality of life in their own country and protect British culture and identity is not 'mistreating' minority groups however much PC twists things, using derisive and blanket terms in an attempt to gag their freedom of speech.

Not wanting certain religions to have their own laws and indulge in behaviours that flout our equality laws is not mistreatment of minorities it is standing up for our own beliefs and way of life and not allowing those to be mistreated by minority groups who have no respect for them.

So in other words... It's not PC to call someone a bigot?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So in other words... It's not PC to call someone a bigot?

Just uninformed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just uninformed.

Is it uninformed to call someone PC? or a SJW?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The word 'bigot' may have a set definition but people apply that definition according to their own perception of what they think someone means or an agenda - it certainly doesn't make the use of the word in any given situation correct.

As for the mistreatment of any minority group - again that often comes down to perception/agenda. Wanting to protect the quality of life in their own country and protect British culture and identity is not 'mistreating' minority groups however much PC twists things, using derisive and blanket terms in an attempt to gag their freedom of speech.

Not wanting certain religions to have their own laws and indulge in behaviours that flout our equality laws is not mistreatment of minorities it is standing up for our own beliefs and way of life and not allowing those to be mistreated by minority groups who have no respect for them.

Out of interest what would an example of a bigoted comment be for you,
If it is so ambiguous and meanings differ based on perception?

Who ever said protecting British culture was mistreating minorities?... you're projecting here.

The example in your last comment is most strange, you appear to be referring to a specific group, is it Jewish?... They have their own courts and schools.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Out of interest what would an example of a bigoted comment be for you,
If it is so ambiguous and meanings differ based on perception?

Who ever said protecting British culture was mistreating minorities?... you're projecting here.

The example in your last comment is most strange, you appear to be referring to a specific group, is it Jewish?... They have their own courts and schools.

Oh come on you're a regular on here. How about all the times that comment is thrown at anyone who says that don't support mass immigration - so that makes them a bigot does it. As I said perception and agendas.

I have no issues with Jewish culture as I don't see it being rammed down our throats or blatantly disrespecting our equality laws.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Oh come on you're a regular on here. How about all the times that comment is thrown at anyone who says that don't support mass immigration - so that makes them a bigot does it. As I said perception and agendas.

I have no issues with Jewish culture as I don't see it being rammed down our throats or blatantly disrespecting our equality laws.

If a bigoted remark has been made then yes I've seen people being accused of bigotry, just because you don't accept the terms of the definition it doesn't make it so, your example of mass immigration is one issue... there are literally 100's of examples of remarks which have had 'PC' or 'SJW' pinned to them across many topics.

Did you miss this?
I only post this as a point of reference you understand.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...others-driving

[Alf]

Censorship is the foundation of tyranny.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Censorship is the foundation of tyranny.

Indeed, but anyone who at this point can't see that all of these entities are working together is in my opinion sadly blinkered. The forces driving over -the-top PC are the same forces that are driving the "backlash" that is currently steering global politics. All designed to play the gullible at both extreme ends of the political spectrum like a ****ing fiddle.

[Alf]

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