[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Good luck to the Scottish tbh. Tempted to move up there..abandon this sinking ship

Why would you want to do when their future would be as uncertain as the UK is now

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why would you want to do when their future would be as uncertain as the UK is now

Because as someone who is not a millionaire, I feel I would personally have a better life under the SNP than ruled by the Tories who hate me and want me to crawl away and die in a corner as I don't earn enough to avoid my taxes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Because as someone who is not a millionaire, I feel I would personally have a better life under the SNP than ruled by the Tories who hate me and want me to crawl away and die in a corner as I don't earn enough to avoid my taxes

If they go it alone they will have no choice but to raise taxes dramatically I think

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If they go it alone they will have no choice but to raise taxes dramatically I think

Yeah maybe. I don't really know much about the Scottish referendum if I am honest. A few friends of mine said that if Scotland had gone it alone last time they would have been in a great position..something to do with oil off their coast or something? But not now.

Not entirely sure what that was about, its just stuff that comes up in conversations. However I have always felt 'closer' to Scotland than London. And being in the north east I guess thats true distance wise aswell as personally

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If they go it alone they will have no choice but to raise taxes dramatically I think

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ncrease-taxes/

Nicola Sturgeon’s economic case for independence suffered a major blow after one of Britain’s most respected economists warned taxes would have to increase or spending cut by more than Ł1,000 per person.

[Vicky.]

I do think Sturgeon will just keep doing this over and over til she gets the result she wants though.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do think Sturgeon will just keep doing this over and over til she gets the result she wants though.

Being First Minister isn't good enough, she wants to be the Prime Minister of Scotland, and she'll ruin the country for a title and autonomy.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Being First Minister isn't good enough, she wants to be the Prime Minister of Scotland, and she'll ruin the country for a title and autonomy.

Well she seems to be what Scotland wants...going by the votes at least. I actually can't stand the woman...she grates on me so much but she does seem to want to do right by 'her people' unlike the shower of shite in Westminster

We really are stuck with the ****ing Tories for at least 20 years IMO. Its quite frightening

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well she seems to be what Scotland wants...going by the votes at least. I actually can't stand the woman...she grates on me so much but she does seem to want to do right by 'her people' unlike the shower of shite in Westminster

We really are stuck with the ****ing Tories for at least 20 years IMO. Its quite frightening

Westminster is stuck with the Tories until a meaningful new opposition party rises. Labour will never again beat them in a GE at this point.

[MTVN]

Well so much for it being a 'once in a generation' vote. Yes there has now been the Brexit vote but everyone knew that that referendum was taking place back in 2014 should the Tories win an overall majority. It's a shame that we are leaving the EU but it is not the be all and end all - we are leaving what is, in the scheme of things, an economic and administrative union of only a few decades, it is nothing like as deep or embedded a union as the centuries old one between the UK. To break that up at the same time as the UK breaks from the EU would be incredibly destructive to all our countries and cause even more division and hatred amongst our societies.

I'm pretty sure it is now a condition of EU membership that new countries have to commit to joining the Euro at some point as well. Sturgeon might wish otherwise but an independent Scotland would have to reapply to the EU and there are lots of European politicians who would not like to make it easy for them. The UK is not the only country with separatist movements after all.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Being First Minister isn't good enough, she wants to be the Prime Minister of Scotland, and she'll ruin the country for a title and autonomy.

i had thought does she really care this much about independence...........

or does she care most about making a name for herself?

Mark L

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do think Sturgeon will just keep doing this over and over til she gets the result she wants though.

This is not like that last one in 2014.


Now we are going to leave the EU
she now says, NO
Demanding to stay in the Single Market
which is due to GO.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti...ferendum,_2014

[Denver]

Scotland would also not be allowed in the EU for a few years after applying

[Vicky.]

I honestly think the EU is going to collapse soon so if anyone votes based on that...

I go to Scotland a fair bit..would I actually need to take my passport if they do decide to leave?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly think the EU is going to collapse soon so if anyone votes based on that...

I go to Scotland a fair bit..would I actually need to take my passport if they do decide to leave?

Soon as France votes out which is highly likely then only Germany will have the money to fund the EU.

you will need a Visa as Theresa May wants to end free movement between EU countries

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Soon as France votes out which is highly likely then only Germany will have the money to fund the EU.

Yes you will need a passport as Theresa May wants to end free movement between EU countries

Free movement has nothing to do with passports Adam it's the right to move between EU countries, you still have use your passport whether you have free movement or not

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Free movement has nothing to do with passports Adam it's the right to move between EU countries, you still have use your passport whether you have free movement or not

Sorry my bad i was thinking of Visa's for some reason when i wrote that

[Cherie]

Nicola say she won't join the euro, if Scotland become independant, the EU won't like that

[arista]

LT , TS and Josy
are you ready for YOUR new money €

If she wins and then Scotland Joins the EU
your Currency can only be €uro.


Utter Bliss

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

LT , TS and Josy
are you ready for YOUR new money €

If she wins and then Scotland Joins the EU
your Currency can only be €uro.


Utter Bliss

That isn't the case. Most of the recent joiners have not done so. Nobody is objecting, nobody forcing them to. That stipulation is way back in the past and clearly forgotten now.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That isn't the case. Most of the recent joiners have not done so. Nobody is objecting, nobody forcing them to. That stipulation is way back in the past and clearly forgotten now.

Some of recent joiners have held it off,
but still have to join.
She never likes debating the money
because it is a rule.
UK was not Fully In the EU
as we never Stupidly joined their dodgy €uro.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Some of recent joiners have held it off,
but still have to join.
She never likes debating the money
because it is a rule.
UK was not Fully In the EU
as we never Stupidly joined their dodgy €uro.

You are totally incorrect.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You are totally incorrect.

so are YOU

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

UK was not Fully In the EU
as we never Stupidly joined their dodgy €uro.

Except that the EU has existed for longer than the Euro, and 1/3 of EU member states don't use the Euro as their official currency, not just the UK? The Eurozone is not the same thing as the EU.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that the EU has existed for longer than the Euro, and 1/3 of EU member states don't use the Euro as their official currency, not just the UK? The Eurozone is not the same thing as the EU.

Yes it did
and the ones not using the €uro
are not FULLY in.


Its that simple TS

Spain is in the €uro
Scotland will be in the dodgy €uro