[the truth]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

If men are so offended by women resorting to breast augmentation then maybe they should stop belittling those with flat chests...

|Women put more pressure on other women, than any man does
Also lots of women, especially in the media mock mens penises, thats always fair game
flat chest is fine, emma willis has a flat chest shes stunning anyway

[Vicky.]

I don't think its fair to lay the blame on men tbh. I have yet to hear a man say he prefers plastic tits to real ones. The pressure to look 'good' tends to come from other women and magazines with unrealistic 'beauty' standards.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think its fair to lay the blame on men tbh. I have yet to hear a man say he prefers plastic tits to real ones. The pressure to look 'good' tends to come from other women and magazines with unrealistic 'beauty' standards.

I disagree. The porn and glamour model industries which are very male dominated are full of women who have had boob jobs. They all seem to say they get them done to get work. Men make it and men pay for it and that is what they seem to want.

I think dosy women who have no other aspirations in life and sleazy men are the culprits.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Over-sized, top-heavy boobs are ugly.
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Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally above average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways and much more cost-effective than providing therapy which I saw somebody suggest.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally abover average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways.

Ffs I was saying it in relation to this obsession so many young women today have with big fake boobs - why, when they don't even look good when so big. They are often out of proportion with the rest of them, will cause health problems in the future and just make them look desperate. They should like themselves the way the are - there is nothing wrong or unattractive about small boobs, what is wrong with that.

No one is criticising women with natural big boobs. It is the obsession with fake ones we are discussing.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ffs I was saying it in relation to this obsession so many young women today have with big fake boobs - why, when they don't even look good when so big. They are often out of proportion with the rest of them, will cause health problems in the future and just make them look desperate. They should like themselves the way the are - there is nothing wrong or unattractive about small boobs, what is wrong with that.

No one is criticising women with natural big boobs. It is the obsession with fake ones we are discussing.

Thats less encouraging that youre presuming it is. Lot of young women feel as if their natural boobs are not in proportion with the rest of their body, and youre still suggesting that slimmer women with larger boobs look desperate (although credit where its due, you havent criticised unnatural looking boobs both ways, just the one). Youre literally still encouraging body issues. And many others do too, and these people, in my opinion, are the main issue.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its people who say things like this, (or the complete opposite) who are causing body issues in young women in my opinion. Anti-feminist types.. It happens in magazines, and in pornography, but I think most people with body issues have probably had somebody personally telling them something like this, obviously this effect will be magnified by young women reading stuff like this over the internet.

But the truth is, there will always be young women who will have naturally above average or below average sized chests. And there will always be people, like this user, telling them that they are abnormal. If they get depressed because of people like this, and believe a boob job will make them feel better - then I'm personally all for it. Its a much shorter solution than trying to gather all the negative anti-feminist types and asking them to change their ways and much more cost-effective than providing therapy which I saw somebody suggest.

Quick fixes are the worst thing they can do. The women you mention have psychological issues that actually have nothing to do with their boobs. They just think big boobs will solve all their problems - they won't.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Quick fixes are the worst thing they can do. The women you mention have psychological issues that actually have nothing to do with their boobs. They just think big boobs will solve all their problems - they won't.

It will instantly stop the negative body feedback that they were used to getting, so I cant imagine thats entirely true. Although, presumably people like you would give them new negative feeback (if they go too large)? So perhaps youre right

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

It will instantly stop the negative body feedback that they were used to getting, so I cant imagine thats entirely true. Although, presumably people like you would give them new negative feeback (if they go too large)? So perhaps youre right

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

So whats the solution, people like you, who bodyshame others based on their breasts have caused many people to become depressed, there is no sign of this ever stopping. Where should they go?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

So whats the solution, people like you, who bodyshame others based on their breasts have caused many people to become depressed, there is no sign of this ever stopping. Where should they go?

I don't bodyshame anyone. You don't sound as though you care much about why women don't value themselves as they are - your solution is to just dish out the boob jobs conveyor belt style. I wonder why.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't bodyshame anyone. You don't sound as though you care much about why women don't value themselves as they are - your solution is to just dish out the boob jobs conveyor belt style. I wonder why.

You've been bodyshaming those who have a disproportionate waist to chest ratio throughout this thread. Probably because youre anti-feminist or sumin, idk.

Not particularly relevant though, what should people that become clinically depressed by bodyshamers do next in your opinion? Youve only made suggestions on what they shouldnt do. Obviously this isnt helpful.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I disagree. The porn and glamour model industries which are very male dominated are full of women who have had boob jobs. They all seem to say they get them done to get work. Men make it and men pay for it and that is what they seem to want.

I think dosy women who have no other aspirations in life and sleazy men are the culprits.

Even that seems to be an issue with the industry, though. "Amateur style" porn and live cams are far more popular these days than "glossy" porn if you look at the stats, and it's all about looking "real".

I'm not saying that side of the industry is any better... If anything, the women involved are often even more mistreated, which may be part of why many "gloss up", get implants and try to move into Hollywood porn where the women earn far more than the men.

The whole industry is pretty dark and exploitative but, my only point really, is that the people WATCHING it seem to be more inclined to want to see "real bodies" which would suggest that men, in general, prefer real to fake.

[LaLaLand]

I know someone who had a boob job, tummy tuck and a nose job on the NHS for purely cosmetic reasons because their appearance made her feel "low".

I don't agree with it but know it goes on.

[the truth]

yet another disgusting by product of radical feminism

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats less encouraging that youre presuming it is. Lot of young women feel as if their natural boobs are not in proportion with the rest of their body, and youre still suggesting that slimmer women with larger boobs look desperate (although credit where its due, you havent criticised unnatural looking boobs both ways, just the one). Youre literally still encouraging body issues. And many others do too, and these people, in my opinion, are the main issue.

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You're missing the point, having unecessary surgery to improve a psychological issue is madness. It will only have a short-term effect and then the mental problems the woman has will still be there. She will have paid that money for nothing not to mention put her body through an unecessary medical procedure.

No surgery is without risk either. Something could go wrong and she could either end up deformed or scarred or even potentially lose her life.

Her boobs are not her problem it is her mind.

I totally agree with this. Real women value themselves for who they are, not the size of their boobs.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

So in your opinion anyone with an issue with their body should be able to get NHS funding for whatever they feel is wrong about themselves? I can hear the NHS grinding to a halt at the thought of it.
Not all who seek help with breast size are ego driven or feel that it will grant them instant sex appeal, but many do. If it is so important to these people, then let them save up and pay for it themselves, while the NHS does the job it was intended for, which is saving lives.

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn't it obvious - see a shrink.

One, thats more costly on the NHS than surgery is, so that also defeats your point
Two, if they are clinically depressed, they likely already have.
Next suggestion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are always gonna have disproportionate chests to their body, and people will always criticise this, this will always create depression in some people.
Im more asking for a solution, do you have one? You are also, like Brillo, suggesting things that clinically depressed women should not do, without suggesting anything that they should do.
This is incredibly simplistic and narrow-minded. Please complete your argument.
What should a clinically depressed woman do next, if not surgery.

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Answer this then - who should get priority on the NHS a woman insecure about her appearance or someone who needs life-saving surgery. There is not enough money for both. Many women feel insecure about their appearance during their life but they get past it, they do not resort to surgery.

She either sees a doctor about her depression (it is unlikely she would be clinically depressed, less hysteria please) and/or she saves hard or gets a bank loan/payment plan to get it done if that important to her. Such a case is NOT deserving of limited NHS funding.

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
The only suggestion you have given for these sufferers is more costly on the NHS
And Id refer you back to my original point

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm sorry, I dont see the point in answering a hypothetical question. Thats not helpful to the discussion or any of the clinically depressed (google that phrase before your next post) young women, who are this way, because people (like you) continue to bodyshame based on the size of their chest.

Short story is - people like you will always criticise others on their hody
This will always cause depression
Depression is real, and something that the NHS does and should always deal with
And Id refer you back to my original point

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I find your comments irresponsible. Do you understand the difference between a poor body image/mild depression and clinical depression. Advising a woman who was clinically depressed to have a boob job as the answer to her problems would be gross misconduct if you were a medical professional - it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a shot gun wound.

Someone with clinical depression needs expert psychological help whereas someone thinking big boobs will get them more male attention or more work can damn well pay for them themselves or maybe get some sucker to pay for them for them.

The Hugh increase in women getting boob jobs these days is not about clinical depression it's about attention. Boob jobs, Botox and the resulting trout pouts and liposuction are all a quick fix for vain women too lazy to work hard at improving their appearance in safer, more natural ways.

Surgery has become almost as common today as wearing make-up. If women want it it they pay for it and I think you would find that by far the majority of people would agree with that. NHS treatment is not there to finance women's insecurities and vanity.

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

If they are clinically depressed, they have likely gone through therapeutic treatment, if the NHS are suggesting surgery, it was probably unsuccessful. Christ, it must be so easy for you with naturally proportionate boobs, throwing insults at those that dont, and then throw about suggestions on how they should live heir life after making them feel less about themselves in the first place.

You are literally being the problem and fighting against a solution at the same time. Awful. Claiming that clinically depressed women want attention, after bodyshamers (like you) have made them be this way is just awful.

If i gave you the impression that I'm against therapy, I'm not by the way. But it isnt an end-all solution, it is regularly unsuccessful, and rarely free, the sufferers would likely pay to be there, unless they are part of psychological research. If sufferers come out of therapy still depressed and if the sufferer and the NHS believe that surgery will stop, or mimimise that (obviously they both do, or this discussion wouldnt exist) then i am all for that. Why you want these sufferers to remain depressed indefinitely is beyond me.

I don't think you understand how short of money the NHS is. People are having operations cancelled and people are not receiving certain medications that are vital to the treatment of their condition because it is too expensive - people's lives are at risk because of a lack of money but you want to fund boob jobs for vain women. If a woman is genuinely depressed she needs proper treatment for what is an illness not a boob job.

I'm done now because your reasoning is unreasonable.