[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The only 'mad' ones I see on here are the ones driven to insult people with a different opinion,now THAT is losing a debate.

Obviously i meant mad as in cross/angry. It doesnt even read well with the other definition of mad, so I'm not sure what it is about Brillo that made you think I meant it in that way.

[smudgie]

If I was asked to wear a headscarf for a day in support of ANY woman being allowed to wear one then I would.
Hiding your hair does not hide your identity so poses no security or trust issues, my doctor wears hers to work, I doubt she is bowing to her husbands demands, more a question of her wanting to wear it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If I was asked to wear a headscarf for a day in support of ANY woman being allowed to wear one then I would.
Hiding your hair does not hide your identity so poses no security or trust issues, my doctor wears hers to work, I doubt she is bowing to her husbands demands, more a question of her wanting to wear it.

I agree with that Smudgie,I do however have an issue with this one simply because it has been used in terrorist actions before,all well and good in private but not on our streets,they are dangerous enough.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree with that Smudgie,I do however have an issue with this one simply because it has been used in terrorist actions before,all well and good in private but not on our streets,they are dangerous enough.

I agree. The wearing of the face coverings is an entirely different subject. They are oppressive, pose a security risk, are a health hazard and look awful.

I would also imagine Western babies and young children would be pretty frightened if someone wearing one got too close. Scary looking things.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I agree. The wearing of the face coverings is an entirely different subject. They are oppressive, pose a security risk, are a health hazard and look awful.

I would also imagine Western babies and young children would be pretty frightened if someone wearing one got too close. Scary looking things.

Only if they've been socialised to express a prejudice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only if they've been socialised to express a prejudice.

Are you serious- babies don't understand prejudice, but the sight of that black, bold tent with eyes staring out of it would understandably frighten them.

Given what the wearing of them represents I would also hope that it isn't a sight most people would want our children to get used to.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree with that Smudgie,I do however have an issue with this one simply because it has been used in terrorist actions before,all well and good in private but not on our streets,they are dangerous enough.

I would not feel comfortable with my doctor wearing that to work, or teachers in school.
I think you need to be able to read someone's face when you have an important conversation.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I would not feel comfortable with my doctor wearing that to work, or teachers in school.
I think you need to be able to read someone's face when you have an important conversation.

Exactly Smudgie

[Tom4784]

A very misleading thread, if you can't post the whole article then do not cherry pick the parts that suit your agenda since it's not representative of what's been said and leads to a flawed discussion.

I believe that women should wear what they wish to wear with exceptions made to clothes that cover the face in areas where hiding your identity is not ideal. A headscarf does not obscure someone's identity and so I don't have a problem with it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A very misleading thread, if you can't post the whole article then do not cherry pick the parts that suit your agenda since it's not representative of what's been said and leads to a flawed discussion.

I have already explained why I couldn't copy the link across, but it is now there for all to see. As many do I quoted the bit I was objecting to and gave my opinion, so what exactly is your issue with that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have already explained why I couldn't copy the link across, but it is now there for all to see. As many do I quoted the bit I was objecting to and gave my opinion, so what exactly is your issue with that.

I've already said...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've already said...

Which did not take all the facts into account.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Which did not take all the facts into account.

It doesn't change the fact that, if you actually wanted to represent the actual story, then you could have typed out a sentence or two more from the article that balanced out your bias and gave us something solid to discuss.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Left wing president of Austria has said ominously "and it is not only Muslim women, all women can wear a headscarf, and if this real and rampant Islamaphobia continues, there will come a day where we must ask all women to wear a headscarf - all - out of solidarity to those who do it for religous reasons".

Isn't this left wing PC propaganda exactly why so many have concerns about both Islam and PC. This left wing Western idiot is suggesting that all women should in time be 'forced' in one way or another to wear a headscarf to appease Muslims.

As a woman I for one will NEVER 'comply' with such garbage. Thoughts please!

You'd force Muslim women to comply with your garbage though wouldn't you?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Chewy

You'd force Muslim women to comply with your garbage though wouldn't you?

If I chose to live in Saudi I would abide by their rules - It's called respect. Hence I wouldn't ever choose to live there.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If I chose to live in Saudi I would abide by their rules - It's called respect. Hence I wouldn't ever choose to live there.

Fortunately we don't have such rules of dress here. The only western uniform restrictions is, no women walking around topless or anyone walk around naked and its frowned upon if you walk to your local shop in your dressing gown and slippers. Other than that, we are free to wear what we want.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Fortunately we don't have such rules of dress here. The only western uniform restrictions is, no women walking around topless or anyone walk around naked and its frowned upon if you walk to your local shop in your dressing gown and slippers. Other than that, we are free to wear what we want.

Is it okay for someone to walk around in a hooded robe with KKK plastered all over it or teeshirts with very offensive racist comments/gay comments. I don't know the precise rules on this but I would imagine not. The burkha/niqab are equally as offensive to women's rights to equality.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Is it okay for someone to walk around in a hooded robe with KKK plastered all over it or teeshirts with very offensive racist comments/gay comments. I don't know the precise rules on this but I would imagine not. The burkha/niqab are equally as offensive to women's rights to equality.

Inciting hatred is a crime. Wearing a head dress of any kind is not a hate crime and is thus incomparable.

I'd imagine limiting a woman's choice of clothing by banning head dresses is also offensive to women's rights as it's dictating what they can or cannot wear. Banning an item of clothing that doesn't incite hatred is a pointless endeavour, I think restricting it like you would a hoodie or a mask in certain places is fine but a ban is flawed.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The Left wing president of Austria has said ominously "and it is not only Muslim women, all women can wear a headscarf, and if this real and rampant Islamaphobia continues, there will come a day where we must ask all women to wear a headscarf - all - out of solidarity to those who do it for religous reasons".

Isn't this left wing PC propaganda exactly why so many have concerns about both Islam and PC. This left wing Western idiot is suggesting that all women should in time be 'forced' in one way or another to wear a headscarf to appease Muslims.

As a woman I for one will NEVER 'comply' with such garbage. Thoughts please!

Me neither. This idiot is asking to increase islamaphobia by even suggesting that women should be forced to wear a headgear that is only the result of muslim mens insecurity.He makes a good muslim puppet though doesn't he.

[jaxie]

It is sort of disturbing to see how desperately people defend mysogianistic religious conditioning practices. Maybe one day the world will wise up.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Also banning burkas are not going to be a solution.. or china banning muslim names. You cant get your point across against oppression when you are oppressing them yourself.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

You cant get your point across against oppression when you are oppressing them yourself.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

Also banning burkas are not going to be a solution.. or china banning muslim names. You cant get your point across against oppression when you are oppressing them yourself.

I don't see that expecting people who chose to live a certain country to respect the values and culture of that country as oppression.

Integration is key to success and wearing clothing that shouts female subjugation and undermines equality is not integration.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't see that expecting people who chose to live a certain country to respect the values and culture of that country as oppression.

Integration is key to success and wearing clothing that shouts female subjugation and undermines equality is not integration.

But there is nothing about british values/culture that suggests a burqua should be banned.
You designed a new British ideology based around your personal insecurities, not the law of the land and its values.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't see that expecting people who chose to live a certain country to respect the values and culture of that country as oppression.

Integration is key to success and wearing clothing that shouts female subjugation and undermines equality is not integration.

Fully agree Brillo.