[joeysteele]

I didn't think it was possible but for a Prime Minister I have found Mrs May's attitude the last 2 days pathetic.

Her tone and her Party following the EU vote has been near always uncompromising.
Yet she is admired for it, really a very sad state of affairs in my view.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't think it was possible but for a Prime Minister I have found Mrs May's attitude the last 2 days pathetic.

Her tone and her Party following the EU vote has been near always uncompromising.
Yet she is admired for it, really a very sad state of affairs in my view.

You're right, she's an uncompromising woman who surrounds herself with a hand full of agreeable glove puppets. As for being honest and dependable," she's anything but.

She's admired because she can talk the talk. Can she walk the walk though? Good speakers will always do well in parliament but being a good speaker doesn't equate to being a good PM.

We only have to look at her seven years as Home Secretary to see she did remarkably little for the Home Office. Whilst Cameron was boasting about getting tough on immigration (She's doing the same now) May was slashing the size of our Border Force, leaving fewer means to effectively police our borders. She's just like Cameron, she's all bluff.

[Brother Leon]

Love how this is propaganda yet when Corbyn has several hatchet jobs all over the media it is radio silence...

Simple fact is May and the rest of the Brexit team still to this day have no genuine clue how they are going about obtaining Brexit and what the actual results will be. A bloody difficult woman in control of these negotiations would not have made a u-turn and called a sudden election.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Love how this is propaganda yet when Corbyn has several hatchet jobs all over the media it is radio silence...

Simple fact is May and the rest of the Brexit team still to this day have no genuine clue how they are going about obtaining Brexit and what the actual results will be. A bloody difficult woman in control of these negotiations would not have made a u-turn and called a sudden election.

I would hope a bloody difficult woman is also intelligent enough to know that to do something that is in her best interests, as well as Brexit, is the best way forward even if a u-turn is required. Pride comes before a fall.

[Livia]

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

What a silly thing to say, that those who voted remain are rubbing their hands together in the hope that more people will be facing hardship in this country?.... get a grip.

I personally was worried about issues such as this...

People in Britain risk losing their “fundamental right to health” after Brexit, a barrister and public health professor have warned.

Tobacco and alcohol companies could win more easily in court cases such as the recent battle over plain cigarette packaging if the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is abandoned, they wrote in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

This means after Brexit, industry could have greater influence over laws regarding “pesticide residues in food, health and safety at work, management and disposal of hazardous substances, regulation of medicinal products, and air and water quality.”

Hopefully this will be addressed in full and resolved to protect us all when we do brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7714081.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What a silly thing to say, that those who voted remain are rubbing their hands together in the hope that more people will be facing hardship in this country?.... get a grip.

I personally was worried about issues such as this...

People in Britain risk losing their “fundamental right to health” after Brexit, a barrister and public health professor have warned.

Tobacco and alcohol companies could win more easily in court cases such as the recent battle over plain cigarette packaging if the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is abandoned, they wrote in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

This means after Brexit, industry could have greater influence over laws regarding “pesticide residues in food, health and safety at work, management and disposal of hazardous substances, regulation of medicinal products, and air and water quality.”

Hopefully this will be addressed in full and resolved to protect us all when we do brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7714081.html

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

I didn't see any reaching, just a valid point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

Are you telling me that in your official capacity as a Moderator? Because I thought that insulting other FMs was a rule break. I don't debate with people who can't discuss without name calling because I don't waste my time on time wasters.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

It didn't void my opinion... That remains pretty much as it was. It voided your reply as well, there isn't one :/ it's basically just you informing me you are not replying.

So thanks for that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

I love how clearly you interpret the situation and tone of discussions.

[DemolitionRed]

I voted out but now I feel like the fat lady who fell for the spiel on how a herbal drink would make me thin! I’m far from alone; the Economist has shown research which revealed a massive turn in Brexit retreats from people who are outraged by the false promises made in the Brexit campaign.

I always laughed at the ridiculous promises about cutting immigration. That asylum seekers would be returned to their country and border control would be letting less migrants in and so I wasn’t surprised when that showed up pretty quickly after the vote as the unicorn it always was.

I did though, believe their implicit promises about the NHS. I believed Boris Johnson when he very clearly told us that we would retain access to the single market and our public services could only survive under Brexit and I believed the secretary of State for international trade when he told us all that we would trade freely with the EU.

We are now being told that all these figures were merely extrapolation and all these campaign promises were nothing more than a series of possibilities.

I have buyers remorse and if you care to read articles in ‘The Economist,’ I’m certainly not alone. There has been a massive move over to remain since this unicorn was revealed to be nothing more than a pit pony.

I believe the percentage of remain voters now far outweigh the Brexiteers. I also believe that many of those who regret, won't have the balls to say so, but that's good because it gives the Conservatives a false illusion. When it comes to the election, there's is bound to be a lot of tactical voting because the regretters won't be voting for the blues.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I voted out but now I feel like the fat lady who fell for the spiel on how a herbal drink would make me thin! I’m far from alone; the Economist has shown research which revealed a massive turn in Brexit retreats from people who are outraged by the false promises made in the Brexit campaign.

I always laughed at the ridiculous promises about cutting immigration. That asylum seekers would be returned to their country and border control would be letting less migrants in and so I wasn’t surprised when that showed up pretty quickly after the vote as the unicorn it always was.

I did though, believe their implicit promises about the NHS. I believed Boris Johnson when he very clearly told us that we would retain access to the single market and our public services could only survive under Brexit and I believed the secretary of State for international trade when he told us all that we would trade freely with the EU.

We are now being told that all these figures were merely extrapolation and all these campaign promises were nothing more than a series of possibilities.

I have buyers remorse and if you care to read articles in ‘The Economist,’ I’m certainly not alone. There has been a massive move over to remain since this unicorn was revealed to be nothing more than a pit pony.

I believe the percentage of remain voters now far outweigh the Brexiteers. I also believe that many of those who regret, won't have the balls to say so, but that's good because it gives the Conservatives a false illusion. When it comes to the election, there's is bound to be a lot of tactical voting because the regretters won't be voting for the blues.

There are also many from the remain camp who would now vote leave.

Again a lot of what is said is 'protest' - talk is cheap - but once the chips are down we have come this far and I think most will want to continue. We don't have much to go back to after all.

Those that want out so soon are weak and scared. It takes some balls to stick to your guns when there are peaks and troughs, but I think most of those that voted out have those balls.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are also many from the remain camp who would now vote leave.

Ok.

[DemolitionRed]

You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?

Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval.

Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?

Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval.

Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.

But....Farage is not in government and never will be.It's not his job to deliver.He can't do anything.
I agree with you on Boris.Pure tactics all the way.Infact didn't it come out that he'd written two Brexit articles?One pro EU and one anti?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?

Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval.

Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.

Boris was stabbed in the back by Gove and didn't have enough votes to stand. I was not influenced by the leave campaign, having already made up my mind on the EU. Whether Boris vision and promises would have held true or not is something we will never know because someone else got the job and she wasn't one of those campaigning for leave so it's an entirely different perspective. I find it strange that people seem to try to hold the current administration responsible for things suggested by others. Farage has never had the power nor position to make any kind of promises so if he did and anyone believed that was going to happen was foolish on their part.

[Livia]

Corbyn's performance, on the other hand, wasn't exactly stellar... but let's gloss over that.

[Kizzy]

I have a feeling Corbyns fault is the new Jims fault ..

[Northern Monkey]

It's a good job Labour aren't going to be handling Brexit negotiations.I have just witnessed a Labour MP on national television trying to press David Davis into telling us all and the EU negotiaters the minimum amount he's willing pay for this so called "divorce bill".
Is she off her rocker?How would that help the country in any way?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's a good job Labour aren't going to be handling Brexit negotiations.I have just witnessed a Labour MP on national television trying to press David Davis into telling us all and the EU negotiaters the minimum amount he's willing pay for this so called "divorce bill".
Is she off her rocker?How would that help the country in any way?

Clearly she has no understanding of the strategy of keeping your cards close to your chest. Silly woman.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Clearly she has no understanding of the strategy of keeping your cards close to your chest. Silly woman.

It is all a game, after all.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is all a game, after all.

Unfortunately in many ways it is, for the EU at least - and a pretty nasty one at that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Unfortunately in many ways it is, for the EU at least - and a pretty nasty one at that.

For all politics always, but that doesn't mean we should simply accept or encourage it in our own leaders . Perhaps have "the balls" to strive for something better?