[Kizzy]

Yeah destabilisation was a stellar idea, and nothing could ever go wrong and if it did it totally would not be anything to do with us.

[Glenn.]

What pisses me off with these attacks in the U.K is that mostly they are known to authorities, whether on terrorism or similar cases. Why aren't things done about that? Is it a 'Let's see how many people they kill before we do anything'

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

What pisses me off with these attacks in the U.K is that mostly they are known to authorities, whether on terrorism or similar cases. Why aren't things done about that? Is it a 'Let's see how many people they kill before we do anything'

I heard it can take 24 people to surveillance a suspect 24/7 but I don't care how much it costs security is paramount!

[Glenn.]

According to a newspaper article I just see on sky news, there are 3000 jihadis walking the streets of Britain. How? Why!?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

no one here or anywhere else is scapegoating an entire religion, apart from the jihadis mass murdering terrorists. I suggest you vent your criticism at them and those who arm and inspire them

Where in my post did I allege that anyone here was scapegoating an entire religion? I was making a general point that didn't pertain to any particular person.

And I have vented my criticism at those who arm them. See post #14.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

According to a newspaper article I just see on sky news, there are 3000 jihadis walking the streets of Britain. How? Why!?

According to some news reports another 10,000 by the time we have taken in our quota or refugees. That figure will only ever increase.

[Greg!]

What I don't understand is how can someone who is a jihadi and on a watchlist, be able to purchase materials to make a bomb and not get caught?

[Greg!]

I agree with Jaxie, all religious schools need to be abolished.

[Glenn.]

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

Anyone travelling to Turkey or any of these countries should have a full background check cause it's obvious they are going to Syria but sadly it's too late and there are hundreds of trained Jihad living amongst us ready to attack.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

and why is no one asking why?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

By the sounds of it he was able to flit to and from Libya. Again why?

I have to agree with you Glenn, why isn't this being flagged when someone who is known is travelling to places where there are centres of radicalisation.

I mentioned the other day that a member of my family is in a relationship with someone from a non EU country. They met at work on a job where they are travelling and make short stops, including to the UK. She was going to come for a visit at the end of her last contract and stay with our family but the Visa was refused because she works on contracts and couldn't prove she had a job to go back to, employers are arseholes who won't give a letter explaining even though she's worked there for five years.

She went back to work and was due a stop over to the UK. Was called to an office and grilled by immigration because of the previously refused holiday visa. They gave her a passport stamp after saying she was ok to enter the UK for her stopover, then grilled her for an hour for a second stopover a few days later. She is from an Asian country.

If immigration can harrass a nice young girl like this who has a clean record and just wants to spend time with her boyfriend, why are people they know might be dodgy waltzing in and out of Syria, Libya and Iraq?

[Glenn.]

I love it when Jesus comes back to life. So realistic

[Denver]

The bible has rape, Torture and murder throughout

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The bible has rape, Torture and murder throughout

Yes and condones and teaches it. Obviously.

Because that's the exact same thing.

[Denver]

So does the Quran

[Marsh.]

Your diatribe would be laughable if it weren't so ill-informed.

[Denver]

You should actually ask a muslim and they will tell you nowhere should you kill innocent people

[Denver]

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

[Marsh.]

Are you just making random statements and hoping they will be relevant to the discussion?

You've gone from claiming religions teach murder, to defending them and providing extracts proving the opposite?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you just making random statements and hoping they will be relevant to the discussion?

You may wanna hate all muslims and think they are tught to kill but you only have to read it up to see the truth

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You may wanna hate all muslims and think they are tught to kill but you only have to read it up to see the truth

What are you even talking about, I haven't said any such thing.

[Denver]

Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . .

[Denver]

Well you basically said Muslims are for death and Christians are told it is wrong

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Well you basically said Muslims are for death and Christians are told it is wrong

Find me this quote please.

I responded to your assertions about the bible. Let's not twist things. You're being deliberately absurd.