[Mystic Mock]

It's good for British Politics that so many of us came out to vote.

And the main reason was that Labour was the only party that promised young people a bright future, even if it's fake it was nice that there was hope for us for a change rather than being told we're gonna have to suffer all of the changes that will also affect the other age groups aswell, but alot of them are better equipped to handle it as they're more likely to be in a well paid job to cope with the Tories punishments.

[user104658]

Do we have to point out, once again, that to have served in word war 2 one would realistically have to have been born in or before around 1927... Making the youngest ww2 veterans 90 years old today.

Anyone under that age did not fight for our freedoms. The rhetoric that the "older generations fought in wars for what we have!" made sense back in the 1990's... When Ww2 veterans were in their 70's. But people appear to have got stuck on it like a soundbite. It's 2017. It just doesn't hold water anymore.

[user104658]

Also have to say... A bit of irony to see people complaining about ageism against the older generations, whilst in the same post being ageist about young people. it does work both ways, you know. For every "inexperienced" young voter, there's an "out of touch" elderly voter.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also have to say... A bit of irony to see people complaining about ageism against the older generations, whilst in the same post being ageist about young people. it does work both ways, you know. For every "inexperienced" young voter, there's an "out of touch" elderly voter.

No irony at all TS, I posted this because of all the finger pointing that was done to "old people" voting in the EU referendum and how they would be dead before the consequences would be felt etc, shame a lot of the same finger pointers didn't feel the need to vote in the mass numbers as they obviously did this time round, so as the old saying goes, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander the good thing to come out of this is that people are realising how important their vote is...20 votes the difference in safe seat Kensington...also TS I didn't resort to using insulting terms to describe young voters

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No irony at all TS, I posted this because of all the finger pointing that was done to "old people" voting in the EU referendum and how they would be dead before the consequences would be felt etc, shame a lot of the same finger pointers didn't feel the need to vote in the mass numbers as they obviously did this time round, so as the old saying goes, sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander the good thing to come out of this is that people are realising how important their vote is...20 votes the difference in safe seat Kensington...

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

Exactly

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is an age distribution gap, and one that will always be there.

Politics and outcome doesn't need to be governed by age though, in the same way that north/south divides don't need to be the deciding factor.

Also, lets highlight the most obvious example. Corbyn is approaching being 70 years old. He is past normal retirement age already and here he is championing the causes that the young demographic identify with.

Politics just isn't that simple, and can't be generalised so easily.

Im still just talking quantities. There are literally more old than young, and they have historically voted differently to one another.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hmm you responded to one of my posts, and I ignored it because I didnt really understand it.. but if this was your reasoning, then that wasnt my intention. I was simply pointing out that 100% of the young is outnumbered by 100% of the old, 100% of 18-30s are still outnumbered by 50% of 50+'s. I was talking quantities, this isnt speculative.

It is speculative as you are assuming in that scenario that all oldies vote one way...the days of people voting one party for ever is over ask UKIP

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It is speculative as you are assuming in that scenario that all oldies vote one way...the days of people voting one party for ever is over ask UKIP

But your post was in response to me suggesting, that this time, a lot of the old voted with the young instead of against them.. youve fought for both sides now!

[Withano]

I think youth turnout was so high because they didnt feel as if they were voting against the old. The young know they live in an ageing population, and they know they'd have to vote 3:1 to outnumber them - this is impossible when the older turnout is like 80%.

But the youth didnt feel as if they were voting against them, they knew the elderly wanted their retirement, and younger adults were keen on school meals. They werent fighting against them (as much) in this election.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You would need to compare it to 2017 averages to get a definitive picture surely

I'm very interested to see those results, either way I think the youth turnout was higher this time because they at least believed the below could be true.

Originally Posted by Withano

I think youth turnout was so high because they didnt feel as if they were voting against the old. The young know they live in an ageing population, and they know they'd have to vote 3:1 to outnumber them - this is impossible when the older turnout is like 80%.

But the youth didnt feel as if they were voting against them, they knew the elderly wanted their retirement, and younger adults were keen on school meals. They werent fighting against them (as much) in this election.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm very interested to see those results, either way I think the youth turnout was higher this time because they at least believed the below could be true.

Maybe I think a combination of the Corbyn appeal , his polices, Brexit backlash and May's many U turns helped they must be wetting themselves in Brussels

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Maybe I think a combination of the Corbyn appeal , his polices, Brexit backlash and May's many U turns helped they must be wetting themselves in Brussels

Yeah, I think Corbyns manifesto made the young wake up a bit, and Mays manifesto made the older switch a bit.. I dont think the age divide will be massively significant this time round

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yeah, I think Corbyns manifesto made the young wake up a bit, and Mays manifesto made the older switch a bit.. I dont think the age divide will be massively significant this time round

I really don't know what she thought was going to happen by attacking her core voters with the winter fuel allowance and dementia tax, maybe she thought they would just suck it up because she was strong and stable and would deliver a hard Brexit, when it comes to their own pockets the pensioners are as defensive as anyone other group