[johne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Derek nearly had a coronary when Karthick said he wanted a chat with him in the garden about spirits etc ,and no wonder !! I saw him live a few years ago ,he's the biggest conman Ive every seen, he tried him damnedest to make every message fit ,to the point i walked out at the interval and would have walked sooner had i not been sat in the centre seats of the row

Funny that. I saw Derek live in Scunthorpe about ten years ago. He gave very accurate messages to one woman in the audience and I noted that he did this with zero "fishing" and no leading questions, the explanation most sceptics always use to discredit mediums whether it happens or not. I had a chat with this woman when we left the theatre and she was definitely a local rather than an inside plant on Dereks team, because I walked back to where she lived nearby as we chatted.

I can only assume Derek was having an off day when you saw him. I suppose it must be difficult on the day if you fill a theatre and Sam doesn't show up.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by johne

Funny that. I saw Derek live in Scunthorpe about ten years ago. He gave very accurate messages to one woman in the audience and I noted that he did this with zero "fishing" and no leading questions, the explanation most sceptics always use to discredit mediums whether it happens or not. I had a chat with this woman when we left the theatre and she was definitely a local rather than an inside plant on Dereks team, because I walked back to where she lived nearby as we chatted.

I can only assume Derek was having an off day when you saw him. I suppose it must be difficult on the day if you fill a theatre and Sam doesn't show up.

You're taking the piss are you?

[johne]

Originally Posted by Paula D

You're taking the piss are you?

I guess you cannot address my points, hence the abuse.

[AnnieK]

My cousin goes to see someone on a one to one basis who she says is scarily accurate. She told her something that happened before she was born and rang me to ask and I told her the exact thing the medium had told her. That kind of freaked me out as it was nothing spectacular just family stuff that no one would have known about it cared enough about to remember (I hadn't until she asked me).

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My cousin goes to see someone on a one to one basis who she says is scarily accurate. She told her something that happened before she was born and rang me to ask and I told her the exact thing the medium had told her. That kind of freaked me out as it was nothing spectacular just family stuff that no one would have known about it cared enough about to remember (I hadn't until she asked me).

The one to one I had was unreal I was sat there in floods of tears she was so accurate

[JayGreen]

I dont personally believe in anything supernatural. I personally believe when you die thats it your gone you dont go anywhere or turn into anything. Each to their own though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

even a broken watch tells the time right twice a day

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

even a broken watch tells the time right twice a day

No ,not in this case she told me minute details about my sister and the awful way she died that you couldn't guess at

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No ,not in this case she told me minute details about my sister and the awful way she died that you couldn't guess at

see link above

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=207

good example of how its done and why people say


"there is no way he could have known that" or "he told me exactly what my dream was about"

There is also the same dynamic going on about seeing "ghosts"

Humans like to be interesting and have interesting things to tell people and a story such as "omg this medium told me something amazing" fits the bill for many

[Livia]

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

Exactly.

Derren Brown actually centred an episode of one his shows on how 'mediums' and 'psychics' are fake. I think he calls it cold-calling, and there are many strategies people like Derek will use; one of them is constantly saying names and letting the audience react when they hear one that sounds just a little like a deceased person they know, like Chuff and a few others have already pointed out.

It was a good watch. I love Derren Brown.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

I've seen Derren Brown tell people stuff he couldn't possibly have known and he'll tell you right up front he's not psychic.

He's a clever fella.

[Crimson Dynamo]

you would think that with the popularity of genealogy now all the mediums would be doing that and making a fortune rather than playing run down theatres to an audience of middle aged ladies





I wonder why they dont employ one on "who do you think you are"?

[smudgie]

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

Yes why would you want to make millions easily if you could or help catch killers and find say missing children..




with the "gift"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes why would you want to make millions easily if you could or help catch killers and find say missing children..




with the "gift"

How would talking to my dead Granny help to find Maddy McCann?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people do have the gift.
But the ones that are genuine don't do it for the money or fame. Well the ones I know don't.

Exactly. I know a medium (she was my mums best friend) and she was pretty spot on. God rest her soul.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Exactly. I know a medium (she was my mums best friend) and she was pretty spot on. God rest her soul.

Its the same as a magician

you dont know how its done so you think its magic

but of course magic does not exist so its just you dont know how its done

same with "mediums" you just assign not knowing how its done and or luck to she has a gift

but really its only that you dont know how they did it


or look at it this way - either everything we have leaned about science through hundreds of years of painstaking research and peer reviewed endeavour is WRONG

or your mums pal is a fibber


i will have a tenner on the latter

[ginkgo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or look at it this way - either everything we have leaned about science through hundreds of years of painstaking research and peer reviewed endeavour is WRONG

everything? no way
science / scientists are figuring out new stuff all the time
300 years ago people probably wouldnt have believed smart phones and wi-fi internet

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ginkgo

everything? no way
science / scientists are figuring out new stuff all the time
300 years ago people probably wouldnt have believed smart phones and wi-fi internet

no you misunderstand, everything learned by science to date

the fact that science is ever learning through meticulous testing of proof and evidence and peer-review is why we have wifi and smartphones

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its the same as a magician

you dont know how its done so you think its magic

but of course magic does not exist so its just you dont know how its done

same with "mediums" you just assign not knowing how its done and or luck to she has a gift

but really its only that you dont know how they did it


or look at it this way - either everything we have leaned about science through hundreds of years of painstaking research and peer reviewed endeavour is WRONG

or your mums pal is a fibber


i will have a tenner on the latter

Why does everything we already know and have learned have to be wrong?

That's a rather silly assessment to make.

There is still a vast blank canvas that science hasn't yet discovered/explored or explained so to say anything previously thought to be false actually being true would need to prove all of scientific history wrong is quite absurd.

Science cannot cure cancer at the moment. If in the future that comes about it doesn't mean to say those doctors who couldn't do anything for cancer patients many years ago were "wrong".

[Northern Monkey]

It's bollocks.I once went and stayed the night in a sixteenth century pub that featured on Most Haunted.Not a peep.It was quieter than my own house.Stayed up all night too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and of course the reason people lie like this is to make themselves more important which is a basic human driver like having sex. Some people achieve this through work, a talent like singing, collecting things, being a councillor or just plain fabrication

[sungrass]

Sprituality is so sacred and a gift that if you had it you would never sell it. Total fraud. look him up - he is really just a theif of peoples money - no pity for him at all x