[andybigbro]

Really don’t see an issue

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Ooooo! touched a nerve have I?

No. That's called astonishment that someone is stupid enough to think blackface and a tan are the same thing.

Although it would surprise anyone that Isabelle was attempting to resemble a black lady. The colour was more akin to shrek.

[Firewire]

The eyes make it offensive

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well you declared David Williams wasn't suggesting all Asians have hooded eyes implying that was my issue?

What was your issue with this statement?

'Hooded eyes do not apply to one man.'

Hooded eyes do not apply to all Asians ( a step up from all North Koreans I might add)

My mother has hooded eyes, is he targeting her too?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Firewire

The eyes make it offensive

Not to me they don't, I've got better things to worry about, like have I got enough bog roll for the weekend and putting the bins out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What was your issue with this statement?

'Hooded eyes do not apply to one man.'

Hooded eyes do not apply to all Asians ( a step up from all North Koreans I might add)

My mother has hooded eyes, is he targeting her too?

You implied it was a feature he was using in order to mimic the guy he was dressed as.

As opposed to a gross stereotype about Asian people.

Like him pinning his eyes back to make them thin to play a Japanese character on his sketch show.

People would've seen who he was attempting to ridicule with just the hair and costume, without the offensive prosthetics.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Not to me they don't, I've got better things to worry about, like have I got enough bog roll for the weekend and putting the bins out.

What?

You think because people partake in discussing topics in threads on this forum they must be losing sleep over it?

No. We're simply talking about it. Which is what the forum is about.

David Walliams means nothing to me and tomorrow this ridiculous costume will be forgotten but that doesn't stop us being able to comment on the crassness of it today.

If you haven't got time to discuss it because you've ran out of bog roll then maybe you're in the wrong place?

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Alf

Not to me they don't, I've got better things to worry about, like have I got enough bog roll for the weekend and putting the bins out.

I'm happy you aren't offended by something that has no power to offend you

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hooded eyes do not apply to all Asians ( a step up from all North Koreans I might add)

So Asia doesn't just encompass North Korea and North Korea only?

Well thank you for letting us know.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You implied it was a feature he was using in order to mimic the guy he was dressed as.

As opposed to a gross stereotype about Asian people.

Like him pinning his eyes back to make them thin to play a Japanese character on his sketch show.

People would've seen who he was attempting to ridicule with just the hair and costume, without the offensive prosthetics.

I haven't implied anything..... you're doing all the supposing around here :/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I haven't implied anything..... you're doing all the supposing around here :/

Yes you did. You implied every bit of his costume was about Kim Jong-un specifically. "One man" you said.

I haven't "supposed" anything. I'm pointing out the racial stereotyping for which Walliams is known for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So Asia doesn't just encompass North Korea and North Korea only?

Well thank you for letting us know.

Thanks for letting me know having hooded eyes offends the whole of Asia.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Thanks for letting me know having hooded eyes offends the whole of Asia.

Where did I say that?

I pointed out a problematic racial stereotype.

It's like me saying it was inappropriate for someone to use the "n" word and you telling me that not all black people across the world were offended. It's a misrepresentation of what I said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Firewire

The eyes make it offensive

the eyes tell me he can afford to make it look better by hiring a pro


its all about what you can afford

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where did I say that?

I pointed out a problematic racial stereotype.

It's like me saying it was inappropriate for someone to use the "n" word and you telling me that not all black people across the world were offended. It's a misrepresentation of what I said.

its not a stereotype its an accurate depiction of a fat wanker

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its not a stereotype its an accurate depiction of a fat wanker

No.

Just as I'm sure this wasn't a gross stereotype of Japanese people.



The prosthetics on their eyes are character specific, not a race thing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes you did. You implied every bit of his costume was about Kim Jong-un specifically. "One man" you said.

I haven't "supposed" anything. I'm pointing out the racial stereotyping for which Walliams is known for.

I stated every bit of his costume was about one man, and it is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where did I say that?

I pointed out a problematic racial stereotype.

It's like me saying it was inappropriate for someone to use the "n" word and you telling me that not all black people across the world were offended. It's a misrepresentation of what I said.

the intention was to dress and look like one man, it's simply your projection that this is a problematic racial stereotype.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

the intention was to dress and look like one man, it's simply your projection that this is a problematic racial stereotype.

Clearly. As it's only me to have felt there was a problem with it.

It's wilful ignorance to say that exaggerated eye make-up is not used as a gross stereotype for Asian people. Especially coming from the likes of David Walliams who's literally made a career out of them in Little Britain and other sketch shows.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No.

Just as I'm sure this wasn't a gross stereotype of Japanese people.



The prosthetics on their eyes are character specific, not a race thing.

gross stereotypes are the mainstay of comedy and that it what it is comedy


Id imagine David used his make-up person to get the Kim look bang on and they did a great job

[thesheriff443]

Spitting image ripped the piss out of every one.
Its funny nothing more,

[user104658]

I'll just repeat what I said in the thread yesterday;

I do think that entertainment (TV, films, games etc.) should be a different matter... There should always be a place for satire, that's important, and a place for honesty in reality TV (though most of it is just trash now tbf) and in documentaries.

However I think people need to realise that, to use an example, Basil Fawlty frog marching around Fawlty Towers doing a Hitler salute is very different from Bob doing it round the pub. The South Park kids calling their black friend "Token" is very different from kids in a mostly white school calling the only black kid Token in reality (even as a joke), etc.


I suppose, in a case like this, I would probably extend that to established professional comedians on social media, as it is often used as a platform for an ongoing "show" of sorts in that capacity.

There's also a distinct difference between dressing up as a specific person, and dressing up as a stereotypical archetype of a group of people. Within limits, though.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

gross stereotypes are the mainstay of comedy and that it what it is comedy


Id imagine David used his make-up person to get the Kim look bang on and they did a great job

Yeah and also continue to perpetuate Asian stereotypes.

Which if you think that kind of thing isn't or shouldn't be offensive and should be allowed in the guise of comedy then that's a perfectly valid opinion. But let's not pretend it's not there.

[Beso]

Im more worried about him being willing to sit in a chair for 4 hours to achieve the look..****ing americanised bollox.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah and also continue to perpetuate Asian stereotypes.

Which if you think that kind of thing isn't or shouldn't be offensive and should be allowed in the guise of comedy then that's a perfectly valid opinion. But let's not pretend it's not there.

The epicanthic fold is not a stereotype