[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

But with no border there’ll be nobody to check the Visa.Unless the Irish border guards end up with the job of checking whether somebody is permitted to access both Ireland and N.I but that would mean rejecting people who were actually legal to enter their country.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But suppose we have a situation where the EU has let someone in and given them the right to travel but we don’t necessarily want them in GB.Once they’ve legally traveled to Ireland they can just waltz over the border into Britain unchecked.Maybe not a likely situation but a possible one.We may disagree on whether a person should be allowed in.

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I would assume there will be new rules for EU nationals at some point though so they will need some sort of visa to enter Britain

Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

True but what can they do when they get there? they can't try to claim social welfare or they would be found to be illegal and they can't work legally either and they can't leave NI to get to Britain so is it really worth causing so much problems by insisting on a hard border?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

True but what can they do when they get there? they can't try to claim social welfare or they would be found to be illegal and they can't work legally either and they can't leave NI to get to Britain so is it really worth causing so much problems by insisting on a hard border?

I think alot of people were maybe under the assumption that you didn't have your passport checked when accessing Ireland, as you know you have it checked on the way in and the way out, once you hit London they bus you to the baggage hall, no checks

so I guess there in lies the answer, set up passport control on the UK side for those travelling from Ireland.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

This was sort of my point; that they wouldn't be illegally in the EU, I was talking mainly about the residents of other EU members states who (supposedly) want access to the UK and that Brexit was (supposedly) going to stop. They will have free movement within the EU still, therefore, they will be free to travel to and within Ireland... and if there is a soft border (by which I mean one you wouldn't even need to be smuggled over - one that you could just simply walk across, as is the case now) then they would have free access to NI too.



Making getting to the mainland tricky, sure, but if they simply stayed in NI then they would still be in the UK . My guess here is that the majority of Brexit voters (i.e. the English) don't actually give a stuff if there are illegal EU migrants in NI - so long as they don't make it across the sea to the "real" UK .

I don't think NI is attractive enough economically or weatherwise to tempt alot of illegals tbh

[bots]

As the published information today also includes EU rights etc after brexit, I think its useful to point out that free movement of people will continue for a significant period AFTER brexit so there is plenty time to develop new procedures without unduly impacting anyone.