[user104658]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

But your immediate family do? That says you aren't a sociopath to me. I reckon I've known two proper sociopaths in my life and they would have thrown their own kids under a bus if it benefited them

That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

yeah maybe so although neither have ever been in trouble with the law, one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

one of them was actually murdered by her husband and I know this is an awful thing to think but my first thought was, I can see how that happened

Me when Pauline Fowler in EastEnder's husband whacked her over the head with the crystal fruit bowl

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That suggests a complete lack of morality / conscience and basic protective instincts though, and sociopaths can/do tend to have emotional attachments, sometimes very strong ones, especially with family. I'm afraid to say I think you've known a couple of genuine bonafide psychopaths Niamh!

Sociopaths can make close attachments to certain people. Its not an emotional attachment but to a degree, a selfish one. Someone who is grounded and finds some sort of self identification through attachment can make a perfectly suitable and stable partner. The problem with a lot of sociopathic type attachments is, the sociopath often becomes controlling and when this happens, it can eventually lead to an unhealthy environment.

I agree with what you say about people on the autistic spectrum. High functioning aspergic people often get mistaken for sociopaths.

[user104658]

A point about violence though:

With a true psychopath it's not so much that they have a need or uncontrollable urge to be violent... it's more that they have no moral problem with violence or emotional response to seeing someone in pain, and so have no problem using violence to achieve some other want or need.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

A point about violence though:

With a true psychopath it's not so much that they have a need or uncontrollable urge to be violent... it's more that they have no moral problem with violence or emotional response to seeing someone in pain, and so have no problem using violence to achieve some other want or need.

I really wish you hadn't said that

I don't have an emotional response to seeing people in pain (except for my kids..I get a kind of adrenaline rush when they hurt themselves which I assume is an emotional response?). I will make all the right noises and such, its actually usually down to me when people hurt themselves badly to sort out the bleeding and such as blood has never ever bothered me where literally everyone I know gets really squeamish, and I don't 'panic' either or burst into ****ing tears (I actually find that really pathetic, its not even you in pain ffs) but an emotional response..no. And I would have no issue at all using violence if needed. Or even if it would benefit me a lot to do so. I have thought a lot about how I could kill someone and not give any thought to it afterwards. Indeed I have had a situation where that would have happened had my parents not brought up me going to prison. If I knew 100% I would not get caught and punished, I would do it in a heartbeat. Under the right circumstances, not randomly! But..I think everyone would kill under the right circumstances? They might be all torn up about it afterwards, I think thats the only place where I would probably differ.

[Niamh.]

How come you jumped in to help that guy who was being beaten up by his g/f then Vicky, that suggests emapthy

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

How come you jumped in to help that guy who was being beaten up by his g/f then Vicky, that suggests emapthy

Hmm maybe. I would argue that that was more my sense of right and wrong though. Also ridiculous recklessness Maybe there was empathy there though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Hmm maybe. I would argue that that was more my sense of right and wrong though. Also ridiculous recklessness Maybe there was empathy there though

But if you were sociopathic surely right and wrong wouldn't bother you though? You must have felt some sympathy for the guy? (I don't know how it all works really, just curious because I find this topic very interesting)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

But if you were sociopathic surely right and wrong wouldn't bother you though? You must have felt some sympathy for the guy? (I don't know how it all works really, just curious because I find this topic very interesting)

Honestly, right and wrong doesn't bother me (unless its happening to me, then it bothers me a lot) but I do know what is right and what is wrong. That may sound confusing, but it makes sense to me

I don't like seeing people in pain either. Thats mental and surely completely psycopathic?!. It just doesn't bother me as such. So that would be part of it too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, right and wrong doesn't bother me (unless its happening to me, then it bothers me a lot) but I do know what is right and what is wrong. That may sound confusing, but it makes sense to me

I don't like seeing people in pain either. Thats mental and surely completely psycopathic?!. It just doesn't bother me as such. So that would be part of it too.

I understand what you're saying however in that situation you put yourself at risk (both of being physically hurt and getting in trouble with the Police) for a guy you didn't even know. Most people, even very empathetic people wouldn't have done that, so that kind of suggests that your sense of right and wrong justice seems higher than alot of people

[Crimson Dynamo]

Vicky we need to hook up and get to work on a basement, a patio and a murder spree


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we could murder Scott first after luring him to our lair with red stripe and a nintendo switch

[bots]

No chianti for Vicky this Christmas

[Vicky.]

The pain I have from my illness though, I do NOT like that pain. At all. Its very very different than superficial crap. Which is why I neck morphine on regular basis to try and get rid.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The pain I have from my illness though, I do NOT like that pain. At all. Its very very different than superficial crap. Which is why I neck morphine on regular basis to try and get rid.

I suppose they're different sorts of pain, illness Vs injury kind of? Like a boxer/martial artists likes fighting but maybe not man flu kind of a thing?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I suppose they're different sorts of pain, illness Vs injury kind of? Like a boxer/martial artists likes fighting but maybe not man flu kind of a thing?

Yeah that makes sense. I also really really hate how the illness leaves me unable to actually..do things. Like I will spend hours and hours totally unable to move and stuff. Really ****ing annoying.

[Jason.]

I'd like to think so.