[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is a discussion about the NHS and whether or not people believe it should be paying for these operations, people are allowed have an opinion on that, I understand this is a sensitive subject but I'm not going to shut down peoples opinions on it unless they're being deliberately offensive

When we pay into the NHS every month I fell we have a right to discuss if its been used as it should be

[Greg!]

And sorry but many of the posts are "deliberately offensive"

[Greg!]

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

of course not but when referring to him in his newsreading days as Jonathan Willoughby it would be silly to call him a her

You cant now go back and say "oh do you remember that woman who read the news what was she called, oh yeah Jonathan Willoughby?

because it would be untrue

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

of course not but when referring to him in his newsreading days as Jonathan Willoughby it would be silly to call him a her

You cant now go back and say "oh do you remember that woman who read the news what was she called, oh yeah Jonathan Willoughby?

because it would be untrue

It is not that hard to say "her in her news reading days" and say "she used to live as a man". Whatever I cba arguing about this anymore so bye

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

She WAS a he before she had the op

[chuff me dizzy]

Can we get back to NHS funding these type of operations please

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Can we get back to NHS funding these type of operations please

Like I said we've gone off topic

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She WAS a he before she had the op

Here we go round the Mulberry bush

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She WAS a he before she had the op

And she is now a she and that is what SHE should be referred as

[bots]

Originally Posted by Greg!

And she is now a she and that is what SHE should be referred as

sorry, but you cant re-write the past

[Christmas Dynasnow]

[Jamie89]

Gender reassignment is also medical (it's a treatment for gender dysphoria) so I can't really vote in the poll.

I think what a lot of people don't realise is that reassignment surgery isn't actually meant to be a cure for anything, it's done to reduce the dysphoria that a trans person feels to make their lives easier (it can be extremely debilitating for some people), but yeah it doesn't mean they are automatically 'cured'/happy/no longer experience problems. And as well as it being about how they view themselves it's also about how other people treat them, whether they 'pass' or not most people are respectful enough to treat them as the gender they present, which is why misgendering can cause problems for some of them and heighten their dysphoria.
And if you're looking for something physically diagnosible you're not going to find it, it's about the 'feeling' that trans people have. You're either going to have to accept that it exists without hard evidence, or I guess just assume that they're all making it up, up to you really, but knowing trans people, as well as considering what they go through not only in terms of actual treatment but the impact on their lives as well, I know where I stand on it.

[Cal.]

Anyway, I think that life threatening procedures and treatments should be implemented before anything else. However, I do think gender reassignment should also be high up on the priority list as it's for a medical condition like anything else. But like people have been saying all series, you wouldn't have a cancer doctor/ward etc dealing with gender reassignment since that is a plastic surgeon's job I believe.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Anyway, I think that life threatening procedures and treatments should be implemented before anything else. However, I do think gender reassignment should also be high up on the priority list as it's for a medical condition like anything else. But like people have been saying all series, you wouldn't have a cancer doctor/ward etc dealing with gender reassignment since that is a plastic surgeon's job

If you have gender dysphoria it’s almost fifty/fifty that you might kill yourself to stop the torment. Official medical stats. That’s actually worse than some cancers, so the surgery is life saving. For the people who have it (and their families) it’s just as important as cancer surgery.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

On tonights show we see India trying to get a rise out of Ann ( getting a tad boring now ) Ann being a great Lady she is told India in no uncertain terms that NHS cash should go on medical ,life saving things BEFORE it goes on peoples fancies ...... Who is in the right ?

The post title is flawed. Gender Dysphoria treatment is a medical condition. If not treated, it can kill. Death rates are high. And it’s not a “choice” as you imply by the word “fancy.” Read up on it, but not in the tabloid newspapers.

[Patricia4]

Ann is right

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

Ann is right

Thank God for a voice of reason ,who answered the simple question above

[Vicky.]

I don't call transwomen he or transmen she. But I do have issues occasionally (India was one of those ones actually) where my brain just cannot help seeing a male merson, and as such, I use he by mistake.

And yes, other peoples reactions to you could well make you feel suicidal I guess. But dismissing any other reason is a bit silly.

And its not research from the 50s at all. It specifically says where its from

Between 2012 and 2015, 300 young transgender women were enrolled in Project LifeSkills, an ongoing multisite trial in Chicago, Illinois (51%), and Boston, Massachusetts (49%), testing the efficacy of a culturally tailored, empowerment-based, and group-delivered HIV prevention intervention aimed at reducing youths’ risk for HIV acquisition and transmission.

I guess you didn't read it and just want to dismiss any possibility that there are other mental health issues going on at the same time in many many trans people, for some reason.

Much much more research needs to go into the whole thing. issue it, research is deemed transphobic. And asking questions is deemed transphobic. And any medical intervention besides surgery and hormones is deemed gatekeeping.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't call transwomen he or transmen she. But I do have issues occasionally (India was one of those ones actually) where my brain just cannot help seeing a male merson, and as such, I use he by mistake.

And yes, other peoples reactions to you could well make you feel suicidal I guess. But dismissing any other reason is a bit silly.

And its not research from the 50s at all. It specifically says where its from



I guess you didn't read it and just want to dismiss any possibility that there are other mental health issues going on at the same time in many many trans people, for some reason.

Much much more research needs to go into the whole thing. issue it, research is deemed transphobic. And asking questions is deemed transphobic. And any medical intervention besides surgery and hormones is deemed gatekeeping.

You find what you seek on the internet, in terms of studies. We could play tennis all day. I’ll stick with what the accepted medical view is around the globe, from people who know a good study from a bad one. To be blunt. - it’s clear you do not have respect for transgender people, or take them seriously. So no point in exchanging huff and puff counter arguments.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

You find what you seek on the internet, in terms of studies. We could play tennis all day. I’ll stick with what the accepted medical view is around the globe, from people who know a good study from a bad one. To be blunt. - it’s clear you do not have respect for transgender people, or take them seriously. So no point in exchanging huff and puff counter arguments.

You can think whatever you like. I have a transsexual woman in my family ffs. I just think there obviously needs to be a hell of a lot more research than there is, especially with so many kids these days identifying as trans.

To be clear, I am not saying SRS should not be an option. I am saying proper research needs to go into the whole thing. And yes, research needs to be done on the growing number of detransitioners too.

I also think for the good of transsexual people, they need to be known as transsexual, not transgender. As the transgender group encompasses so many different groups, fetishists and the likes. I don't see why transsexual people should be associated with crossdressers and drag queens and the likes, as they are nothing alike.

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You can think whatever you like. I have a transsexual woman in my family ffs. I just think there obviously needs to be a hell of a lot more research than there is, especially with so many kids these days identifying as trans.

To be clear, I am not saying SRS should not be an option. I am saying proper research needs to go into the whole thing. And yes, research needs to be done on the growing number of detransitioners too.

I also think for the good of transsexual people, they need to be known as transsexual, not transgender. As the transgender group encompasses so many different groups, fetishists and the likes. I don't see why transsexual people should be associated with crossdressers and drag queens and the likes, as they are nothing alike.

Think you make some good points ❤️

[susie q]

The NHS has a limited budget, which means that sometimes tough decisions have to be made. Someone is always going to loose out. More money for the NHS isnt always option either, because that would mean paying more NI, tax etc. Speaking as someone who struggles to make ends meet, I would find this difficult, and wouldnt be happy to fund things that dont require treatment for medically recognised conditions. Im happy for transgender to undergo surgery to achieve there goal, but not at someone elses expense.
Perhaps there are other workable solutions out there that they shoould explore.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by susie q

The NHS has a limited budget, which means that sometimes tough decisions have to be made. Someone is always going to loose out. More money for the NHS isnt always option either, because that would mean paying more NI, tax etc. Speaking as someone who struggles to make ends meet, I would find this difficult, and wouldnt be happy to fund things that dont require treatment for medically recognised conditions. Im happy for transgender to undergo surgery to achieve there goal, but not at someone elses expense.
Perhaps there are other workable solutions out there that they shoould explore.

Ive no problem either with it, as long as they fund it themselves, why should people forfeit life saving operations for someones fancy? same with all plastic surgery without its after a crash or cancer etc, not their choice

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by susie q

The NHS has a limited budget, which means that sometimes tough decisions have to be made. Someone is always going to loose out. More money for the NHS isnt always option either, because that would mean paying more NI, tax etc. Speaking as someone who struggles to make ends meet, I would find this difficult, and wouldnt be happy to fund things that dont require treatment for medically recognised conditions. Im happy for transgender to undergo surgery to achieve there goal, but not at someone elses expense.
Perhaps there are other workable solutions out there that they shoould explore.

Be interesting to know your view if you had a son or daughter who was born with gender dysphoria. I guess then it would become very important. I don’t think we can accept that 50% of people with a particulat condition (whatever it is) will die - when a treatment is there. Only 1% of the world population are transgender. So in terms of funding, it’s tiny. How many people who have transitioned do you onow? Puts it in perspective.