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All the crayons
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You can always tell a good politician by their reaction to having a surplus ... "OH! We have more money now, so we can go spend it on XYZ things!..."...
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The good news just keeps on coming...
UK manufacturers on course to outpace GDP growth, survey finds Britain’s manufacturers are set to outpace the rest of the economy this year with help from booming global demand for exports, according to a survey showing British firms started the year on a strong note. According to the manufacturers’ organisation EEF and the accountancy firm BDO, factory output is on course to increase by 2% this year – beating the 1.5% GDP growth forecast for the wider economy. https://www.theguardian.com/business...ritish-exports |
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Likes cars that go boom
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...b0bcd7f42a6758 Congratulations, everyone! We did it! The deficit has been eliminated! George Osborne, the architect of austerity, emerged from one of his non-jobs as the editor of the London Evening Standard to tell us all it was a “remarkable national effort” on Twitter, as if he’d ever broken a sweat over it. David Cameron, who will go down as arguably the worst prime minister in history thanks to the gigantic power move of doing a Brexit and running away, simply added: “It was the right thing to do” – safe in the knowledge that he was now out of the line of fire from tough questions. That will all be cold comfort to the thousands of homeless people struggling to cope with sub-zero temperatures, or those having to choose between keeping the heating on, or risk going into rent arrears and losing their home entirely; to public sector workers in the NHS or local government, trying to keep the wheels from falling off as they deliver vital services in the face of budget cuts; and to disabled and unemployed people, bearing the brunt of the government’s spending cuts and facing harassment from the authorities. Forget all that. We’ve eliminated the deficit, and all we had to do was attack the poor and vulnerable with a relentless fury, create a new generation of young people for whom the concept of pensions or even steady wages is a fantasy, and undermine public services to such a grotesque extent that it will take years to rebuild what we’ve lost. Hooray! It’s worth pointing out, not that this hasn’t been said before, that the rationale for this strategy was always a confection of fear-mongering and economic illiteracy that misrepresented the causes of the 2008 crash as being something to do with “Labour overspending” rather than a global banking crisis. This was an ideologically driven attack on the concept of redistribution through public spending. The upper-class bumblers in charge latched on to any excuse, no matter how quickly it was debunked, to pursue their project of returning the country to the Victorian slum state of their romantic imaginations, where finally, at long last, poor but cheerful urchins would give them the respect they deserved for being born wealthy. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...terity-poverty
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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It makes a change to see a good news thread about the government in SD for a change. Very positive like the economy seems to be
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get them in quick we need to be in the red !!!!
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In ancient times cats were worshipped as gods; they have not forgotten this. Terry Pratchett “I am thrilled to be alive at time when humanity is pushing against the limits of understanding. Even better, we may eventually discover that there are no limits.” ― Richard Dawkins |
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Spend it like Jezza? It sounds like a movie to me!
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Well, well, well, what a surprise. One of the hard right leading figures has just driven his coach and horses through the austerity myth! http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/03...twin-deficits/ I have not been worried about the state deficit for sometime, ever since Mr Brown found out that the UK state can literally print money to pay its bills. Mr Osborne, originally a critic of this in opposition, then discovered its charms in office as well. It turned out to have no adverse consequences on shop price inflation, though of course it caused massive price inflation in government bonds, because it was accompanied by severe pressure against bank lending to the private sector to avoid an inflationary blow off. I always adjust the outstanding debt by the Ł435 bn the state has bought up, as this is in no sense a debt we owe. So our government borrowing level (excluding future state pensions which some here worry about and which have always been pay as you go out of taxation) is modest by world standards at around 65% of GDP, and at current interest rates is affordable.
Most of the state debt we owe to each other anyway. The government owes it to taxpayers who own the debt in their pension funds and insurance policies. The state can always raise enough money to pay the donestic bills backed by the huge powers to tax, and as we have just seen when credit expansion and inflation are low it can also use liquidity created by the monetary authorities. The deficit I worry about much more is our external deficit. That is the one where we have to buy foreign currencies to pay for it. It is the reason why we keep selling some of our best property and business assets to foreigners, and why we have to borrow abroad. Running at around 5% of GDP it is high by world standards, and means we gradually get into more debt or sell more assets to keep up with it. When you owe money to foreigners they may not accept money created to pay them off but will need real assets.
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Likes cars that go boom
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Quantitative easing... yep easy to get back in the black when you print your own money :/
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Piss orf.
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Great news, can't say I noticed multitudes of suffering, certainly no more than there always is. Kudos to the government for managing it, if true.
Broccoli and Cauliflower TS, couple of chicken breasts, bit of garlic, stir fry. Super cheap, super healthy!
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Likes cars that go boom
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Are under the illusion there is never hardship, suffering or homelessness under any other party in government?
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Nobody has said that, it's the fact that it's increasing dramatically without no let up under the Tories which has been the issue over these 8 or so years that they've been in charge for.
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You claimed there was no suffering. Or no more than usual. Anyone with eyes and ears knows that's bull. Last edited by Marsh.; 07-03-2018 at 02:38 PM. |
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the most important thing is not if it's black or red but if its being used efficiently and effectively. We can all argue the toss about effective use of money, but that's what elected government is for.
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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Electricity Education, [e.g. state (public) schools, public universities, etc...] Emergency services, (e.g. Fire, EMS, Law Enforcement, Search and Rescue, etc...) Environmental protection Health care Military Postal service Public bank Public broadcasting Public library Public security Public transportation Social services, (e.g. public housing, social welfare, food subsidies, etc...) Telecommunications Urban planning Transportation infrastructure Waste management, (e.g. wastewater, solid waste, recycling, etc...) Water supply network |
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Crimson Dynamo | The voice of reason
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which of the above is "on its knees"?
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Hers is not a universal experience though. |
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Glad your mum had a good experience LT, I hope she's feeling better.
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