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AnnieK · 26-07-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Do you have an issue with the Ru Paul show policy as well?

RPDR is an adult show though with adult content. I doubt this boy would have been anywhere close to as raunchy and sexualised as RDPR. For me its about the context, if the routine was sexualised and risque fair enough but if it was just a boy in female clothes and makeup dancing about then I think its a reach to compare it to adult content

Jordan. · 26-07-2018, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

RPDR is an adult show though with adult content. I doubt this boy would have been anywhere close to as raunchy and sexualised as RDPR. For me its about the context, if the routine was sexualised and risque fair enough but if it was just a boy in female clothes and makeup dancing about then I think its a reach to compare it to adult content

Crimson Dynamo · 26-07-2018, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

RPDR is an adult show though with adult content. I doubt this boy would have been anywhere close to as raunchy and sexualised as RDPR. For me its about the context, if the routine was sexualised and risque fair enough but if it was just a boy in female clothes and makeup dancing about then I think its a reach to compare it to adult content

And you dont think his whole inspiration came from watching that show?

coz I do

Cherie · 26-07-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

RPDR is an adult show though with adult content. I doubt this boy would have been anywhere close to as raunchy and sexualised as RDPR. For me its about the context, if the routine was sexualised and risque fair enough but if it was just a boy in female clothes and makeup dancing about then I think its a reach to compare it to adult content

Isn't it the association though? same with those 8 year old pole dancers, there was nothing raunchy about the routine per se but it is just not appropriate for kids. We talk about them growing up too quickly and then try and make excuses to include this, he could sing and dance without being in drag maybe?

the other issue is that the Head has to take into account whoever is involved in this show as well as , parents and kids watching, if they were allowing younger siblings to attend, its not all about this one kid and what he wants, the Head has to please a range of ages in the audience.

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't it the association though? same with those 8 year old pole dancers, there was nothing raunchy about the routine per se but it is just not appropriate for kids. We talk about them growing up too quickly and then try and make excuses to include this, he could sing and dance without being in drag maybe?

the other issue is that the Head has to take into account whoever is involved in this show as well as , parents and kids watching, if they were allowing younger siblings to attend, its not all about this one kid and what he wants, the Head has to please a range of ages in the audience.

What's so inappropriate about a boy in a wig dancing around in an outfit that looks like something someone would wear to a job interview for Primark? It's not like he's running around wearing straps and humping the scenery.

By all accounts, the teachers and pupils were happy enough for him to perform. From what I can gather with this story it was the head, who after receiving a list of acts, that had the problem. The teachers didn't raise concerns but this head made a decision based on her own ignorance.

If the performance didn't raise concerns with anyone who supervised the rehearsals then that should say more as to the content of the performance than what is an incomplete view on drag itself. The bull**** excuses about it being illegal (completely false) are just ways for the head to try to justify her hypocrisy. She was uncomfortable with a drag act and so she canned his performance, that's more likely then her truly believing it would be illegal.

The fact she had the gall to say, in the same statement that the school was a welcoming place for all is a joke.

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 02:03 PM

Saying that something isn't appropriate because you aren't allowed on a a TV show until you are 18 (which is the same for most competition shows tbh) is a desperate reach.

Drag is more than just Drag Race, to dismiss what is an artform as sexualised and inappropriate regardless of the actual content is both closed minded and incredibly ignorant.

The truth of the matter is that the school as a whole was fine with it until the Headteacher heard and it's apparent that her own prejudices and ignorance coloured her decision. He rehearsed with the supervision of teachers fgs.

Denver · 26-07-2018, 02:58 PM

Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

Niamh. · 26-07-2018, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

I don't see how the two are similar?

Denver · 26-07-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't see how the two are similar?

Everytime I seen a drag act they have always been over the top sexually

armand.kay · 26-07-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

Ah yes I forgot lip syncing to a song and stripping are the same

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

I think you need to learn the difference between a strip and a lipsync tbh.

Denver · 26-07-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think you need to learn the difference between a strip and a lipsync tbh.

Clearly the only drag acts you have seen is drag race

Matthew. · 26-07-2018, 03:21 PM

can’t wrap my head round it tbh - that law is bull****, i think what they mean is you can’t go on rupaul’s drag race until you are 18, so the school is out of order for not allowing him to perform imo.

good on the boy and his family for exposing the school, what a carry on!

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Clearly the only drag acts you have seen is drag race

Clearly you have a very limited insight into lipsyncing if you think stripping is all there is to it.

Kazanne · 26-07-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam.

Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Crimson Dynamo · 26-07-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Yes Kaz its a victory for common sense and decency and the school should be rightly applauded. I note all the DM top comments are in support of this brave school.

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Why do you think that this drag performance was canned for being sexualised when it got the okay from the teachers for weeks beforehand?

Vicky. · 26-07-2018, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

I agree with this a a general point.

But not seeing how drag necessarily means this is sexual. If the choreography was like burlesque or whatever then yeah, but given the other teachers OKed it I doubt it was.

I also kind of see where parmnion is coming from as I recall this conversation on here before and actually being referred to as 'womanface', and I did actually agree that drag was kind of sexist until; that convo, as I was of the opinion that all drag was parodying and taking the piss out of women, like the only drag acts I had seen up until that stage.

This kid has drag as a hobby, its not really that different to dancing or something. Except its done in makeup and 'womens clothes' (though arguably what on earth are 'womens clothes' to start with. Stereotypes, not absolute.)

I can see no issue here at all. Though I DO have a bit of an issue with that drag queen who is 8, Lacatiaia or something hes called. I find that creepy and definitely a thing pushed on him by his parents at that age. And from what I have seen of him, very sexual also. Which should ring alarm bells in a child that age.

Tom4784 · 26-07-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this a a general point.

But not seeing how drag necessarily means this is sexual. If the choreography was like burlesque or whatever then yeah, but given the other teachers OKed it I doubt it was.

I also kind of see where parmnion is coming from as I recall this conversation on here before and actually being referred to as 'womanface', and I did actually agree that drag was kind of sexist until; that convo, as I was of the opinion that all drag was parodying and taking the piss out of women, like the only drag acts I had seen up until that stage.

This kid has drag as a hobby, its not really that different to dancing or something. Except its done in makeup and 'womens clothes' (though arguably what on earth are 'womens clothes' to start with. Stereotypes, not absolute.)

I can see no issue here at all. Though I DO have a bit of an issue with that drag queen who is 8, Lacatiaia or something hes called. I find that creepy and definitely a thing pushed on him by his parents at that age. And from what I have seen of him, very sexual also. Which should ring alarm bells in a child that age.

I disagree tbh, I don't think the act of drag is demeaning. It's not intended to mock women especially considering that women can also be drag queens as well. It's less to do with demeaning women and more to do with becoming someone else for a while and embodying someone larger than life.

Blackface was created to enforce stereotypes and to make black people seem less worthy of being equal.

Vicky. · 26-07-2018, 06:32 PM

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I disagree tbh, I don't think the act of drag is demeaning. It's not intended to mock women especially considering that women can also be drag queens as well. It's less to do with demeaning women and more to do with becoming someone else for a while and embodying someone larger than life.

Blackface was created to enforce stereotypes and to make black people seem less worthy of being equal.

Already gone into this in admin, but for the members also..I was not actually comparing blackface to drag here. I used to be of the impression that drag was all your pantomie dame types, making crude jokes and taking the piss out of women, with way exaggreated moveents, makeup, ridiculous false tits, such tht are not about creating a character at all and are just about making people laugh AT women..infact even going so far as to actually single out women to take the piss out of who are currently in the bar. There was also a thread a while back where blackface was referred to as womanface. Seemingly with the member also under the impression that drag was only ever the kind you get in backalley pubs that is kind of undeniably sexist.

I now know that drag is much more than just the sexist stuff. And that anyone can do drag, where before it was only ever men, and sexist ones at that that I saw/knew of.

As I used to come at it from that angle myself, I could see how someone else might. Though the seemingly actually defending blackface by using drag I did not mean to make out I was agreeing with

I know from reading back that it looked that way now (and the convo may have moved on too,again.. have replied when I got to this quoted post..like I did earlier with the quoted one)