[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know if I'd go that far Cherie . Maybe "if Carling did TiBB Subforums"

Although to be honest, the "Tech & Games" and "TV" sections are the cream of the TiBB crop. They're like that story about WW1 where the British and German soldiers stopped fighting and left the trenches to play football for a day. SD and Chat troops just chatting about films and telly and stuff peacefully

Stupendous!

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's verging on actual malpractice if you ask me... Giving mood altering drugs when someone is recently bereaved can lead to not properly processing / grieving, and that can manifest as serious generalised anxiety without warning even years later. If someone is VERY distressed something short term might be needed, but not long term medication for clinical depression. Grief isn't a chemical imbalance... Doctors need to help people to work through it, not block it out.

Mhm. Sometimes grief triggers major depression in predisposed people. That’s where the practice of medicating some grief cases comes from.

[Mystic Mock]

When it comes to depression then that's down to the individual to have the willpower to fix what's wrong in their lives.

Other mental illness I'm not up on the treatments so I'm not gonna claim to be an expert.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

When it comes to depression then that's down to the individual to have the willpower to fix what's wrong in their lives.

This doesn't make sense. What if their life is fine. It's not always triggered by bad events.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This doesn't make sense. What if their life is fine. It's not always triggered by bad events.

Very true
My life is fine tbf, but that doesn't stop me from feeling depressed

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

When it comes to depression then that's down to the individual to have the willpower to fix what's wrong in their lives.

Other mental illness I'm not up on the treatments so I'm not gonna claim to be an expert.

Someone can hear voices telling them 27 times they’re going to die. People can hallucinate evil spirits think their internal organs are being cut off and they have only hours to live. All the while not being able to feed or say a word for months or years.

That’s what depression’s like at the deep end. The deep end that warranted this thread about ECT/shock therapy in the first place.

Apparently it’s all about willpower though. Come on. At least follow the thread.

[Redway]

https://archive.org/stream/manicdepr...aeuoft#page/73

Like I did on the other thread I’m leaving this out there for anyone who wants to be ignorant about depression. Pages 74 to 98.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This doesn't make sense. What if their life is fine. It's not always triggered by bad events.

Not necessarily bad events happening in someone's life, but sometimes something being missing in someone's life can trigger a depression that medication or experimental treatment is not gonna be able to fix is my point.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Very true
My life is fine tbf, but that doesn't stop me from feeling depressed

If you don't mind me asking do you feel suicidal in your depression? Or is it more like you can't be bothered with the world today?

I hope that I've put the question across well.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Not necessarily bad events happening in someone's life, but sometimes something being missing in someone's life can trigger a depression that medication or experimental treatment is not gonna be able to fix is my point.

I don’t think you know what high-grade depression looks like.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think you know what high-grade depression looks like.

I think that there are a few examples of what you're calling “high-grade depression” but I don't how common that kind of depression is to get enough money invested in advanced treatment for high-grade depression because imo unless you've got a lot of money then the treatment seems to only last a short period of time as it currently stands so it's not really useful in the long term imo.

However you seem to be more of an expert on this issue than I am so I'm probably very wrong.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

However you seem to be more of an expert on this issue than I am so I'm probably very wrong.

Not trying to be funny but you kind of are where this topic goes.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not trying to be funny but you kind of are where this topic goes.

What do you mean by that? I'd never call people with mental health issues selfish like a lot of people do, and in fact I am quite open to my opinions being changed on the subject (which has happened on certain things already) so I don't really feel like I'm the kinda person that you're trying to pigeonhole me as on this thread.

I have just stated a few opinions that were wrong and I'm now trying to get the right end of the stick as it's not a topic that I'm up on.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

What do you mean by that? I'd never call people with mental health issues selfish like a lot of people do, and in fact I am quite open to my opinions being changed on the subject (which has happened on certain things already) so I don't really feel like I'm the kinda person that you're trying to pigeonhole me as on this thread.

I have just stated a few opinions that were wrong and I'm now trying to get the right end of the stick as it's not a topic that I'm up on.

All I said is that your comments about depression are wrong. I definitely weren’t lying there. People don’t get electroshock treatment for just feeling a bit low. That’s not the type of “depression” we’re even talking about on this thread.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

All I said is that your comments about depression are wrong. I definitely weren’t lying there. People don’t get electroshock treatment for just feeling a bit low. That’s not the type of “depression” we’re even talking about on this thread.

Is Electroshock Therapy even that effective long term though? Because surely the effects start to weaken the more you take the treatment?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is Electroshock Therapy even that effective long term though? Because surely the effects start to weaken the more you take the treatment?

It’s the best treatment for severe depression. Repeat treatments might be needed but that doesn’t mean the person’s response weakens. Why would it?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s the best treatment for severe depression. Repeat treatments might be needed but that doesn’t mean the person’s response weakens. Why would it?

I just thought that the initial treatment would be the best because the body isn't used to the Electroshock Therapy at that moment and that the affects would wane with each treatment.

[Mystic Mock]

I know that I'm not explaining myself very well and I'm probably coming across as an idiot so I'm gonna just read the thread for awhile.

I'm sorry if I offended anybody with my comments.

[Nicky91]

my biggest problem for me mentally on here, is that i feel double cause i want to be myself on here but i also don't want to make my friends on here sad whenever they tell me i'm getting too annoying

i do want to behave myself but i don't want to change who i am either

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I know that I'm not explaining myself very well and I'm probably coming across as an idiot so I'm gonna just read the thread for awhile.

I'm sorry if I offended anybody with my comments.

What people tend to forget is there's different forms of mental health. It's not that easy to just "snap out of it " .

It's not necessarily due to a traumatic experience, sometimes it's random.

I don't agree with treatment /medication as it's a slippery slope and can do more harm .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I just thought that the initial treatment would be the best because the body isn't used to the Electroshock Therapy at that moment and that the affects would wane with each treatment.

Some depressed people are literally at death’s door. People who might not live long enough to survive a trial of antidepressants always get given first priority for ECT and rightly so.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Some depressed people are literally at death’s door. People who might not live long enough to survive a trial of antidepressants always get given first priority for ECT and rightly so.

This really will be my last post for a bit, I promise.

Anyway I actually do understand the treatment in those circumstances as it's pivotal that we don't lose lives to the illness, but I do think that it medically sounds dangerous to keep using it on someone.

And to Nicky91, just be yourself as not everybody can like you, and as Jonathan off Stranger Things said to Will, do you want to be like everybody else?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This really will be my last post for a bit, I promise.

Anyway I actually do understand the treatment in those circumstances as it's pivotal that we don't lose lives to the illness, but I do think that it medically sounds dangerous to keep using it on someone.

And to Nicky91, just be yourself as not everybody can like you, and as Jonathan off Stranger Things said to Will, do you want to be like everybody else?

I’ll do up a proper ECT post soon but it’s one of the soundest medical treatments out there. There’s a lot of myths about it that I’m planning on breaking in this thread.

[user104658]

ECT does become less effective with each treatment. The actual effect on the condition remains the same, but the time that it lasts between treatments and returning to a depressed state become shorter with each round of treatment, until it becomes impractical to maintain, in which case the person will need to take an extended "break" from ECT in order for it to be effective again later.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

This really will be my last post for a bit, I promise.

Anyway I actually do understand the treatment in those circumstances as it's pivotal that we don't lose lives to the illness, but I do think that it medically sounds dangerous to keep using it on someone.

And to Nicky91, just be yourself as not everybody can like you, and as Jonathan off Stranger Things said to Will, do you want to be like everybody else?

so true, thanks for this advice Mock, i will be myself but i will try to not be over the top annoying then i guess