[Elliot]

Fun how people urge the innocent to change to cater to a volatile homophobic society and not the other way around

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Fun how people urge the innocent to change to cater to a volatile homophobic society and not the other way around

[reece(:]

Why is this still a debate in 2018?

[Braden]

I don't think so, honey. I'm beyond repair.

[Redway]

The Bible makes itself pretty clear what it thinks about homosexuality in both the Old and New Testament.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

The Bible makes itself pretty clear what it thinks about homosexuality in both the Old and New Testament.

There's alot of things that's frowned upon , like I said it's about interpretation . Some people take everything in the Bible literal , whereas others are more open minded especially in this day & age .

[Redway]

1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

Bible makes itself pretty clear to me. I don’t side with the Bible one bit in general but I don’t see much room for ambiguity there.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

1 Corinthians 6:9 (ESV)

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

Bible makes itself pretty clear to me. I don’t side with the Bible one bit in general but I don’t see much room for ambiguity there.

Are you going to quote the Quran next ?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Are you going to quote the Quran next ?

Stop trying to evade the point.

Why would gay people seek validation from a corrupt book like the Bible in the first place?

[Tom4784]

Sexuality isn't a disease and these cockrots are just charlatans peddling in delusions and dangerous psychological abuse.

Sexuality is not a fluid thing. Straight, Gay, Bisexual or Asexual, everyone is one of these things and it simply comes down to whether or not you are aware of which label truly fits you. It can't be changed, you can only delude yourself into thinking you've changed what is a chemical reaction within you.

Happiness comes from acceptance, not delusion.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sexuality isn't a disease and these cockrots are just charlatans peddling in delusions and dangerous psychological abuse.

Sexuality is not a fluid thing. Straight, Gay, Bisexual or Asexual, everyone is one of these things and it simply comes down to whether or not you are aware of which label truly fits you. It can't be changed, you can only delude yourself into thinking you've changed what is a chemical reaction within you.

Happiness comes from acceptance, not delusion.

Even today there's still people that don't understand Asexuality , but they probably still find people attractive but they don't feel the need to enter a relationship .

[Tom4784]

When it comes to Christianity at least, I don't tolerate homophobes using the bible as an excuse for their hatred as pretty much every christian picks and chooses what parts of the bible best suits them as the bible is widly contradictory. If you think being stoned for wearing more than two different kinds of fabrics is silly but believe that hating someone on the grounds of sexuality is acceptable then I won't accept the excuse of religion for your bigotry.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When it comes to Christianity at least, I don't tolerate homophobes using the bible as an excuse for their hatred as pretty much every christian picks and chooses what parts of the bible best suits them as the bible is widly contradictory. If you think being stoned for wearing more than two different kinds of fabrics is silly but believe that hating someone on the grounds of sexuality is acceptable then I won't accept the excuse of religion for your bigotry.

Obviously there's hypocrisy in all kinds of people . But think about countries where they push people off buildings and actually persecute people for it . Those same places treat women like they're not human .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When it comes to Christianity at least, I don't tolerate homophobes using the bible as an excuse for their hatred as pretty much every christian picks and chooses what parts of the bible best suits them as the bible is widly contradictory. If you think being stoned for wearing more than two different kinds of fabrics is silly but believe that hating someone on the grounds of sexuality is acceptable then I won't accept the excuse of religion for your bigotry.

I’m no homophobe, what I’m against is people using the Bible to defend homosexuality. Not that it needs defending but most orthodox religions are pretty clear and unambiguous about what they think of homosexuality. That’s it. I wasn’t speaking for myself or my views on it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m no homophobe, what I’m against is people using the Bible to defend homosexuality. Not that it needs defending but most orthodox religions are pretty clear and unambiguous about what they think of homosexuality. That’s it. I wasn’t speaking for myself or my views on it.

The point is people have their views .

It's not about using it to defend sexuality ,but I don't like how Christianity gets used as an easy target . This was the main headline on the news ,but in other countries there's people with zero rights . Plus not all religious people are mental .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The point is people have their views .

It's not about using it to defend sexuality ,but I don't like how Christianity gets used as an easy target . This was the main headline on the news ,but in other countries there's people with zero rights . Plus not all religious people are mental .

That’s because another religion’s headed by a paedo and responsible for too many national disasters since the turn of the century. You’d be hard-pressed to find someone who’s got anything positive to say about Islam in the first place.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The point is people have their views .

It's not about using it to defend sexuality ,but I don't like how Christianity gets used as an easy target . This was the main headline on the news ,but in other countries there's people with zero rights . Plus not all religious people are mental .

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

There's still no denying Religion brings comfort to some people , even the most devout person struggles with their faith .

There's plenty of loving open minded religious people around as well . Not everyone is a strict militant with fingers in their ears .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I get where you're coming from. There are "worse" religions, but it's easy to have a go at Christianity as they won't accuse you of e.g. anti-semitism or islamophobia. Not to mention nobody will come round to kill you.

But having said that I'm with Redway, we can't deny all three Abrahamic religions have anti-homosexual texts in them which are still used to discriminate.

The fundamentalists of those religions discriminate... the extremists... But there are rabbis who will bless your gay marriage, some Christian vicars will even marry gay couples. I rarely meet a contemporary person of faith who believes God made a mistake with gay people. And frankly, if they're going to discriminate against people for being gay then they're not my kind of people.

Just a word about your first para, 2S... No ringletted Frommer is goinging round to anyone's house to kill them or there'd be a whole pile of Corbynites awaiting burial.

[Marsh.]

Yes. It cured me of my insatiable lust for Smithy.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes. It cured me of my insatiable lust for Smithy.

oop
might have to try that then

[Parmy]

Part 2 was on last night, it shocked me that it is actually people volountary going to the pastor to be "cured"



Makes you think that some people have a stronger connection to god than they do
with or for their sexuality.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Part 2 was on last night, it shocked me that it is actually people volountary going to the pastor to be "cured"



Makes you think that some people have a stronger connection to god than they do
with or for their sexuality.

I didn't watch the programme but do you think it's a connection to god or that they don't want to be ostracized by their families etc?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't watch the programme but do you think it's a connection to god or that they don't want to be ostracized by their families etc?

it definatly seemed like a connection to god rather than any form of persecution.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

it definatly seemed like a connection to god rather than any form of persecution.

Connection to religion rather than god.
I'd say most homosexuals battle internal homophobia. Usually it's "gifted" to them by the hetoronormative world around them, sometimes reinforced by religion.
When coming out sometimes coming out to yourself is the hardest bit. Truly accepting who you are sexually and be ok with it.
So you can be gay and be a homophobe full of self-loathing.