[bots]

26 million Russians died during World War II, they gave everything to fighting the nazis. Anyone who has been to Moscow will have seen the barricade that marks the line where the Nazis got to, it wasn't far from the city center at all. No-one is suggesting that the Soviet regime was a good one at the time of the war, but nevertheless, they were a key part of winning the war

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That doesn't really make too much sense; I made no claims about what happened at the start of the war. Sorry, what I said was true, and getting there first was not even part of my consideration.

Russia took one side of Germany
USA took the other side

No way at the end of the War
did Russia win it alone
America was also there.
Thats what you Skip.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also I mean... You have to admit... There's quite a lot of irony here.

"Millenial lefties are snowflakes who are offended by anything, not like us..."

"Churchill was a bit racist u kno"

"WHAT?? RrrrrEEEEeeeEeee!!! How dare! Very wrong! Not to say!"

I can understand that argument if he was besmirching te name of say John Craven but its not John is it and look at the twat who was doing it

TS even you must look at the guy and get what is going on?

Its perfect for Piers as his game is to mildly troll the audience and then act for them in their indignation

Its why the numbers are so good

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I can understand that argument if he was besmirching te name of say John Craven but its not John is it and look at the twat who was doing it



TS even you must look at the guy and get what is going on?



Its perfect for Piers as his game is to mildly troll the audience and then act for them in their indignation



Its why the numbers are so good

The point is that people are getting upset at some little fella on the telly. I mean... It IS a bit over-sensitive isn't it? And yes Piers trolls but he also gets himself pretty frustrated and worked up at times, which really isn't the best idea for a slightly overweight man in his 50's .

I get that the young guy whoever he is is blatantly trolling too but I don't get why people are getting upset or taking personal offense over it, and can't deal with the facts as they are and make a rational counter point (that Churchill held some beliefs that are now outdated but were pretty common at the time, and it's important to add historical context and not judge based on current morality).

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Also I mean... You have to admit... There's quite a lot of irony here.

"Millenial lefties are snowflakes who are offended by anything, not like us..."

"Churchill was a bit racist u kno"

"WHAT?? RrrrrEEEEeeeEeee!!! How dare! Very wrong! Not to say!"

[Beso]

Didn't Russia start off as Germanys allies?

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Didn't Russia start off as Germanys allies?

Yes early on,
then Hitler
changed his mind (half way through the war)
and then stormed into Russia
only held back when it was snowing.


Hitler a Deadly Evil Leader
like no other

[Beso]

So therefore Russia did NOT do more than GB to win the war, in fact they probably prolonged it by 2-3 years.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So therefore Russia did NOT do more than GB to win the war, in fact they probably prolonged it by 2-3 years.

Its More Complex
As Hitler Took over France
and some African Nations

And of Course the Clever Japan Army
attacked the USA in Pearl Harbor
That dragged the USA in a Full War
and also taking German Bomb Developers
direct to USA for their rush to test a Atomic Bomb
on Japan, and they did more than one
forcing Japan to give in.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Its More Complex
As Hitler Took over France
and some African Nations

And of Course the Clever Japan Army
attacked the USA in Pearl Harbor
That dragged the USA in a Full War
and also taking German Bomb Developers
direct to USA for their rush to test a Atomic Bomb
on Japan, and they did more than one
forcing Japan to give in.

Hold on a minute, is this the same Arista?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So therefore Russia did NOT do more than GB to win the war, in fact they probably prolonged it by 2-3 years.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

[Oliver_W]

It is slightly amusing how he spergs on about how Churchill didn't win the war, the servicemen did, but still calls Churchill a mass murderer.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It is slightly amusing how he spergs on about how Churchill didn't win the war, the servicemen did, but still calls Churchill a mass murderer.

It's not really incompatible though because when he talks of murder, he's more likely referring to deliberate infrastructure damage campaigns (where civilians were the specific target rather than collateral damage) and - while obviously, the Germans were fans too - Churchill did enjoy a good bombing now and then. He ordered things that would now be considered war crimes, although again, important to remember to put that in historic context as ALL military leaders throughout the ages did things that would now be considered war crimes, and I'm sure modern militaries are doing things right now that will be considered war crimes in 50 years time.

But still... That's how one might consider a leader to be a murderer whilst still admiring the common or garden footsoldier.