[LukeB]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

And also the freedom to be comfortable with what they wear

No one would feel comfortable with what they're wearing if they get bullied for it.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

And also the freedom to be comfortable with what they wear

it's NOT THAT DEEP!!! 12 year old Henry is gonna be conformation in black trousers which are less restrictive than any skinny jeans his mum's bought him from Primark!! AND WHAT DID YOU MEAN "EXPRESS THEMSELVES"!!!! WHAT'S THERE TO EXPRESS??? THEY GO TO SCHOOL WEARING JEANS AND A TOP ON NON-UNIFORM DAYS THEY'D JUST BE EXPRESSING THAT THEY'RE BASIC!!!

[RileyH]

in my school skirts got banned bc all the gals would come in really short ones

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by RileyH

in my school skirts got banned bc all the gals would come in really short ones

queens of grimsby

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by RileyH

in my school skirts got banned bc all the gals would come in really short ones

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by RileyH

in my school skirts got banned bc all the gals would come in really short ones

a guy got excluded for like a day cuz he wore a skirt in favour of girls being allowed to wear trousers

[Daniel-X]

For them, I loved my uniform and agree with many things said in here about potential bullying and ridicule for poorer pupils.

[Moniqua]

my school has a winter jacket that has the school crest on it, it's compulsory that we wear it but ah never even bought it WHEW

anytime somebody comes into school with their own jacket, it gets confiscated and it makes me fume WHEW it happened to me and my 86 dollar jacket once and ah nearly ripped Janice's hair out WHEW

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

my school has a winter jacket that has the school crest on it, it's compulsory that we wear it but ah never even bought it WHEW

anytime somebody comes into school with their own jacket, it gets confiscated and it makes me fume WHEW it happened to me and my 86 dollar jacket once and ah nearly ripped Janice's hair out WHEW

my coat got stolen in primary school i was crying so much

[Jason.]

I also think having a school uniform encourages students to be more kempt which is good preparation for the workplace. I know not all jobs require you to dress smart, but most interviews do.

You'd be surprised at how many young people just throw on the same sweaty trackies or sloppy jeans and then when it comes to dressing for an occasion, they'll shy away/feel uncomfortable because they've never worn a suit or shoes that aren't trainers before.

[Oliver_W]

Having a uniform with a tie can be useful, I didn't know how to tie a tie until I was about 21, and I've always had the attitude that there's only two good reasons to wear a tie; I reluctantly add a third which is "interviews", but I manage to get away with not wearing one in my current workplace.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Having a uniform with a tie can be useful, I didn't know how to tie a tie until I was about 21, and I've always had the attitude that there's only two good reasons to wear a tie; I reluctantly add a third which is "interviews", but I manage to get away with not wearing one in my current workplace.

Our ties were clip on but everyone would remove the clip and unravel it so they could wear it short

[SherzyK]

I’m indifferent when it comes to school uniform but I’m leaning more towards the ‘for’ side of the argument. (I misread the poll and chose against don’t kill me )

There’s no dress code in sixth form but I always hear people passing judgement on what people wear and some even get bullied for it. School uniforms promote kids to represent their schools and no one would get ostracised for the clothes they wear. For that simple reason, I’m all for it but I’m not against it.

[AnnieK]

For.

[Marsh.]

For. Makes everybody equal and stops the worry over what they're going to wear each day.

[Cal.]

I’m for them as it reduces bullying BUT how strictly they are regulated is ridiculous.

[Cal.]

I always had 5 shirts and 2 pairs of trousers

[Eddie.]

Having worn uniforms for most of my school life, I am for school uniforms as you can just wear them in the morning, without any fuss of choosing an outfit. It also maintains professionalism?

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where in "uniform" did you get 1 shirt and 1 pair of trousers?

I'm sure they're capable of buying more than 1 set of clothes that adhere to uniform standards.

If you "express yourself" via some shirt or something then you're probably not very interesting.

- First part, ok I figured this was probably how it went but I thought maybe the schools only give like 2 pairs of each or something. And if it is one pair from a school, that's a problem.

Like 5 shirts & 2 pants are fair enough for cleanliness where people only re-wear the same clothes occasionally between each wash.

- Second part, even if it's not expressing themselves, it's allowing kids to have their own style and wardrobe rather than feel obligated to wearing one outfit every day, every week, every year for like 7+ hours a day.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

- First part, ok I figured this was probably how it went but I thought maybe the schools only give like 2 pairs of each or something. And if it is one pair from a school, that's a problem.

Like 5 shirts & 2 pants are fair enough for cleanliness where people only re-wear the same clothes occasionally between each wash.

No, you have to buy the uniform yourself So it’s up to you how many of each item you buy

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

No, you have to buy the uniform yourself So it’s up to you how many of each item you buy

Oh ok that's pretty good then, so at least it's up to the student/their parents on how many pairs they want to buy & have at their disposal


But another thing, how the hell do uniforms prevent bullying? There are still ways to get bullied for your uniform (dirty, worn out, if the person doesn't look good wearing it or doesn't wear it the "cool way" or something like that). Not to mention if a poor student's the victim of bullying from being poor, then the uniforms probably aren't going to change that especially outside of school.

A fear of bullying should not be a selling point for uniforms, they should be taking measures to prevent the bullying not prevent a student's originality and comfort with themselves (physically & mentally with what they wear).

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

- First part, ok I figured this was probably how it went but I thought maybe the schools only give like 2 pairs of each or something. And if it is one pair from a school, that's a problem.

Like 5 shirts & 2 pants are fair enough for cleanliness where people only re-wear the same clothes occasionally between each wash.

- Second part, even if it's not expressing themselves, it's allowing kids to have their own style and wardrobe rather than feel obligated to wearing one outfit every day, every week, every year for like 7+ hours a day.

School doesn't supply uniforms, which is where there can be an issue, since it's argued that school uniforms can be expensive for people.

As for shirts, given most schools wear button up shirts you can buy in any shop in a multipack, people end up having like 3/4 shirts alone anyway. I always had two pairs of pants but meh

Also it's... not deep. The kid won't exactly be 'expressing' themselves as I'm sure for a good majority of cases their mums will be picking their outfits when they're young and even still I don't know many people at a young age who wears clothes to 'express' themselves. I know you said 'even if' it's not about expressing themselves, but it sorta sounds like you believe the freedom to wear a t-shirt and jeans in school is a healthy way of expressing yourself and it's... not even a form of expression

And as people have said, there does come into play that some people may be bullied for their dress sense. I wore chinos one day on non-uniform day and someone was like "HA! Nice chinos" which is... really mild bc I was like, 14 and couldn't care like hurr durr I'm wearing something comfy that I wanna wear, but if I had low self confidence and had something actually bad said to me I'd be pretty bothered especially at a young age. Even if people haven't seen it, it does happen - kids are judged for what they wear. So then they want clothes which will mean they'll fit in with the others, and then they'll outgrow clothes, then they'll want new clothes, then they need new clothes for new fashion, it all becomes a ridiculous cycle that's avoided by asking kids to wear the same thing.

I do think it becomes ridiculous when it comes to girls not being allowed to wear trousers (I can't think of a time in which it wouldn't be allowed in any work environment to wear trousers instead of a skirt but meh) and on short haircuts and maybe one or two other ridiculously strict rules but overall the idea of uniform is great to me. Kids can wear what they want outside of school, and they can wear what they like outside of work.

Will all jobs require a uniform? Not necessarily. In fact, some jobs need strict uniform rules for hygiene purposes. It certainly makes a kid familiar with having to wear the same thing in work every day and while no doubt they could learn to just... be comfortable wearing the same thing nearly every day as they get there, they could also just like, learn as a kid

Like maybe it's just me and my friends but we've never had an issue with having to wear uniform. Like genuinely I wasn't fussed about not being able to wear trainers or having to wear a jumper to school. It was comfortable. I didn't feel 'obligated', I was made to wear it but I certainly didn't feel like I have to. Now obviously not everyone likes uniform but I've yet to meet a person to be bothered by uniform. Kids =/= adults yes, but uniform is uniform, regardless of age. Like I can sorta see where you're coming from but uniform isn't as bad as you think

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

- First part, ok I figured this was probably how it went but I thought maybe the schools only give like 2 pairs of each or something. And if it is one pair from a school, that's a problem.

Like 5 shirts & 2 pants are fair enough for cleanliness where people only re-wear the same clothes occasionally between each wash.

- Second part, even if it's not expressing themselves, it's allowing kids to have their own style and wardrobe rather than feel obligated to wearing one outfit every day, every week, every year for like 7+ hours a day.

Because god forbid kids are instilled with a bit of discipline that life isn't about everything they want?

Next you'll be saying they shouldn't feel "obligated" to attend school at all.

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because god forbid kids are instilled with a bit of discipline that life isn't about everything they want?

Next you'll be saying they shouldn't feel "obligated" to attend school at all.

Taking away part of what makes them creative and their own person =/= discipline

Of course, there are other ways to show originality and creativity, and for more personality-based reasons which is more important, but matching, restricted uniforms just set a bad precedent for that and it's just so basic with all the students wearing the same thing. It's not that serious lol, just let them wear what they want as kids & teenagers ffs.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Of course, there are other ways to show originality and creativity, and for more personality-based reasons which is more important, but matching, restricted uniforms just set a bad precedent for that and it's just so basic with all the students wearing the same thing. It's not that serious lol, just let them wear what they want as kids & teenagers ffs.

Well, you are taking it that seriously if you think it's impacting their development as individuals. You can't have it both ways.

"So basic". Maybe if more schools had uniform, kids would come up with less "basic" phrases.

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Taking away part of what makes them creative and their own person =/= discipline

If your "own person" is in a pair of jeans you need help IMHO.