[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by ttw

I'm sorry but there are many parts of England that I wouldn't want to live in. Colour of skin is still an issue.

Your always going to get the dilincquant idiots hating, that goes without saying. Nearly every country in the world has racial problems, in contrast Britain has come a long way into making racism a frowned upon thing, amongst all ages and ethnicities.

That's not saying it doesn't exist in some places, it would be silly to think that.

[sarahtheangel]

i no we dont use that horrible word all of us whites but i dont think that emily is racsit at all , if she had done it in a row then yes it would have been . i think we should now all think before we open our mouths thats all i can sayon this matter.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man

Your always going to get the dilincquant idiots hating, that goes without saying. Nearly every country in the world has racial problems, in contrast Britain has come a long way into making racism a frowned upon thing, amongst all ages and ethnicities.

That's not saying it doesn't exist in some places, it would be silly to think that.

In fact, I would say it is so frowned upon you can hardly say the word 'race' without sparking a huge debate.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by Jaz0

In fact, I would say it is so frowned upon you can hardly say the word 'race' without sparking a huge debate.

Which is a good thing, because debate brings feelings to the surface and then you know what is happening. At least Britain isn't hiding behind a smokescreen saying it isn't happening, we know it is (if the last two BB's are to go by) and things are being implemented so in the future this shouldn't have to be such a debatable subject.

[easypeasy]

If a white person calls a black person the word they should expect to be called "cracker" in return, this insult describes the whip cracking slave master bigot completely and is offensive to any decent , good hearted caucasian.

[Jodie6]

But would it be classed as racism

[InTheFade]

It would be classed as racism but somehow, I don't think it would provoke as much of an outcry as when racism is targeted towards an ethnic minority. Maybe I'm wrong though...

[alp882]

I am so wound up by the fact that it's OK for a black women to say, "I can say ******, because I is a ******" (Charlie's quote not mine) yet a white person cant say it too her. If this word is deemed offensive to black people then they shouldn't be allowed to say it themselves. Emily said that word with no offense meant what so ever, and I myself have said it in the past to Black friends of mine as I believe if they can say so can we. To say we cant is THE most racist comment of them all.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by godfather545
I 100% agree with Bbs decison.

I am a 22 year old black man born in this contry and i am sickened by the outcry over Emilys removal.

The ease of how Emily used that word is scary. The vast majority of my friends are white and i have never been called n****** not even in jest. I have a feeling that emily is racist and uses this word a lot to describe blacks. If you are non-black ask yourself how many times you have used the word n******..Im guessing not many.

i belivee Emily words were ' urrgh u are pushing it out you n******'. This is cleary derogatory. its not the same as someone say whats up my n****** the YOU part of her sentence is the key. Where whats up my n****** is creating a sense of belonging and togetherness 'YOU' is clearly not.

The word n***** is definitly worse when said by a white person and that is the truth. It was a word created by whites during slavery to describe blacks so a non white using the word would definitly not upset me as much as a white person.


Being called a n***** is difficult to explain to a non-black person as i am sure being called a p*** is to a non asian. Coming from personal experience of a racist attack i recieved, it leaves you feeling INADEQUATE, SMALL, and WORTHLESS. it is genuinly the worst thing anyone could ever say to me

Nicky and Charly were only repeating Emily when the said the word. If i went to poliice after being racially assualted and repeated what was said to me would i then be arrested? of course not that would be ridiculous. If Charley said the word of her own accord then i am pretty sre she would be punished by big brother. The fact is Charley WAS deeply offended, she was still up at 3 in the morning talking about it. She said she wasnt but that was just to cover her true feelings.

So what do the majority of people protesting over BBs descision want? for n***** to become commonplace among non-whites? if i get called a n***** in the street and become upset will i see no justice because some idiot uses it in a rap song? This is a sad sad day and shows that RACISM IS STILL RIFE IN ENGLAND

Charley used the word first, in the house.

The defence for Emily is that she was using the word in the context she presumed to be 'friendly', and it had already been used by a black member of the house. Several days passed before Emily used the word, so she assumed that there was an equal standard. Big Brother set that standard when they let Charley go unpunished.

I appreciate your point of view, and can't even imagine the suffering you have endured at the hands of real racists, but it is 2007, there is a new context for the word ****** and it is spoken all over the country, and that context is around because black people have kept it around, just like Charley introduced it into the Big Brother house. So now, we all, black and white face the prospect of being particularly considerate of how we use the word ******, and lets hope we can all move forward to day when none of us says it at all.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Charley used the word first, in the house.

You keep saying this but I've yet to see youy provied any evidence. What exactly are you saying any way?

[sunlight]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man

Which is a good thing, because debate brings feelings to the surface and then you know what is happening. At least Britain isn't hiding behind a smokescreen saying it isn't happening, we know it is (if the last two BB's are to go by) and things are being implemented so in the future this shouldn't have to be such a debatable subject.

i disgree as a black/asian woman i feel this country is the one who pretends their is no problem between people of different races. just looking at some of the comments i've heard over the last day or so proves we have still got a long way to go.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

Charley used the word first, in the house.

When? Did I miss it? I was only aware of the below:

Emily: (referring to Charley dancing/pushing her hips forward) You pushing it out you ni**er.
Nicky: (shocked laughter) Em, I can’t believe you said that.
Charley: You are in trouble.
Emily: Don’t make a big thing out of it then. I was joking.
Charley: I know you were… but that’s some serious ****, sorry.
Emily: Why?
Charley: Oh my god. I’m not even saying it.
Nicky: Just don’t talk about it anymore.
Emily: I was joking
Charley: Do you know how many viewers would watch that?
Nicky: Okay, don’t make a big deal out of it.
Charley: Fancy you saying that. I can’t believe you said that.
Emily: Somebody has already used that word in this house.
Charley: No way. (Pause) Yeah, me. I’m a n*****r.
Nicky laughs.
Charley: I am one. Fancy you saying it. I know maybe you see it in a rap song. Maybe you and your friends sit there saying it.

[Turrican]

Originally posted by alp882
I am so wound up by the fact that it's OK for a black women to say, "I can say ni**er, because I is a ******" (Charlie's quote not mine) yet a white person cant say it too her. If this word is deemed offensive to black people then they shouldn't be allowed to say it themselves. Emily said that word with no offense meant what so ever, and I myself have said it in the past to Black friends of mine as I believe if they can say so can we. To say we cant is THE most racist comment of them all.

The answer to this is obvious. White people used the word N**** in a degrading way to describe black people as slaves. So when a White person calls a black person to this day the N word of course it is not a nice thing to do.

It's all down to the meaning behind the word.

The way Emily used the word in context WAS degrading and used as an insult. She didnt' say "hey Charley what's up my n***a" (if she was trying to be hip/cool/street) She used it at the end of a sentence which was the basis of an insult (albeit jokingly) Jokingly or not, Emily used the N word in a degrading way...

"your pushing them out YOU Ni***er"

btw... reports are coming in from lots of people saying they have been racially abused by Emily in the past. I know those skeptics will rear their ugly heads here and say "dont believe everything you read" but again, these people give their full names and full accounts of how Emily abused them and I believe them after what I have seen of this vicious, middle-class brat.

Good ridance to her.

[Jodie6]

But its the black british people that are causing the problem by making the ***** word acceptable to use between themselfs they are causing the racism can you not see that???

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by GiRTh

You keep saying this but I've yet to see youy provied any evidence.

Charley admitted it herself, the words "about a week ago", in response to the question 'when did you say it in here?'. I need no more proof than admittance from her own mouth, regardless of her timeline inaccuracy.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

Charley admitted it herself, the words "about a week ago", in response to the question 'when did you say it in here?'. I need no more proof than admittance from her own mouth.

I must have missed this. Did anyone else see/hear this?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

Charley admitted it herself, the words "about a week ago", in response to the question 'when did you say it in here?'. I need no more proof than admittance from her own mouth, regardless of her timeline inaccuracy.

I missed it too. In what context did she use the word? What are you saying anyway? Do you think Emily should still be in the house? I'm kind of getting that from your posts. What do you think should have been done?

[GhettoSuperstar]

I wish people would judge the people who actually are racist and not a country as a whole.
Does Jade and Emily represent a whole country? NO.

[the_chosen_one]

Girth, you will find the answers to your questions around the forum in the appropriate discussions.

I've given you my evidence on your question about Charley, I can only wait now, until someone can back me up on it.

[GiRTh]

I can't be bothered to go hunting for your posts. I do remember you stating their was a certain hypocracy in kicking Emily out. Care to expand?

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

I must have missed this. Did anyone else see/hear this?

yep i heard it, i think charley set emily up big time,.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I can't be bothered to go hunting for your posts. I do remember you stating their was a certain hypocracy in kicking Emily out. Care to expand?

No, sorry. If you can't be bothered to look in the right threads I'm not going to write it up again for you. I hope we can agree to leave it like that.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by easypeasy

I must have missed this. Did anyone else see/hear this?

yep i heard it, i think charley set emily up big time,. [/quote]How could she have set her up?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

No, sorry. If you can't be bothered to look in the right threads I'm not going to write it up again for you. I hope we can agree to leave it like that.

Off topic.

[easypeasy]

when you get a mixed race pair of freinds sat around singing rap and r n b tunes together all day you cant really be surprised if the n word slips out sooner or later.........black people should clean up the problem on their own doorsteps (the use of the word in their own music and video) if they really want to see the end of the words use. i guess thats not easy to do though because it only takes a minority to give the majority a bad name.