[Beso]

Originally Posted by Elliot

people only have to make it clear they're gay because heterosexuality is assumed

And when does this enter a discussion?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And when does this enter a discussion?

When you ask the bloke you don't know that well, wearing a wedding ring, how his wife is and he has to clarify "My husband".

People are assumed to be straight if they don't make it clear otherwise.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When you ask the bloke you don't know that well, wearing a wedding ring, how his wife is and he has to clarify "My husband".

People are assumed to be straight if they don't make it clear otherwise.

Oh yes...That's always at the top of my list...checking strangers wedding rings so I can ask about the wife....any better examples?

Wouldn't you just ask a stranger if they were married incase thier wife or husband had died or was seriously ill?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh yes...That's always at the top of my list...checking strangers wedding rings so I can ask about the wife....any better examples?

Wouldn't you just ask a stranger if they were married incase thier wife or husband had died or was seriously ill?

It was an example of making conversation with someone you don't know well. If you knew they were married, you would assume in a heterosexual relationship before otherwise.

But, yes, be pedantic. Always preferable to discussing the topic.

[Marsh.]

You don't see why people feel the need to identify?

Are you straight? If so, that's a part of your identity. Your identity being all the many facets of your life and personality all together.

A gay person identifies as gay because they are gay.

You're literally saying "I'm fine with gays as long as they don't use the word gay or force me to endure it in public."

[Liam-]

Everyone just stay in the closet, it’ll make the straight folk more comfortable

[Oliver_W]

There's a difference between LGBT just visibly existing and living their lives, and maybe even *gaps* appearing in the media; and the "LGBTQRTAS+pressupdownleftright community" screeching for acceptance we already have. Nothing wrong with the first

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

screeching for acceptance we already have.

Tell that to the gays living in places where it's illegal to be so.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

screeching for acceptance we already have.

im sick of this bs you do this every thread

just because you, personally, have had good experiences, doesn't invalidate the people that haven't. Even in the 'western world' that y'all consistently hold as this liberal haven, the lgbt community still faces discrimination and horrible experiences because of their sexuality or identity. What one person has gone through doesn't invalidate your experiences, but it also works the other way around. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. Maybe you'd be less confident making these blanket statements if you knew of more lived experiences members of the lgbt community have gone through, if only they weren't told to shut up all the time like they are being told to do so in this thread.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elliot

im sick of this bs you do this every thread

just because you, personally, have had good experiences, doesn't invalidate the people that haven't. Even in the 'western world' that y'all consistently hold as this liberal haven, the lgbt community still faces discrimination and horrible experiences because of their sexuality or identity. What one person has gone through doesn't invalidate your experiences, but it also works the other way around. Just because you say so doesn't make it true. Maybe you'd be less confident making these blanket statements if you knew of more lived experiences members of the lgbt community have gone through, if only they weren't told to shut up all the time like they are being told to do so in this thread.

Honestly I would be utterly flabbergasted if Oliver has had many experiences either way, because every single opinion he has on this topic sounds like something he read elsewhere and decided "sounds right".

[Liam-]

Yep, the fight for equality is over, no more fights to fight, everyone loves us and nobody gets attacked, harassed or killed for their sexuality anymore, we have the ultimate acceptance, it must be true, Oliver said so

[Ammi]

...this is a really good article actually, Swan...(..I can’t copy and paste it in full atm so I’ll just post the link but copy a few bits from it...)...





https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...gay-tim-ramsey


“I’m often struck by how similar our stories are,” he says. “I can’t remember a single teacher at school ever using the word ‘gay’. It really was the worst thing you could be. I was terrified of being the gay boy. I’d known since the age of about six, but I never spoke about it, never opened up to anyone. It was an intensely lonely experience, and that’s what leads to mental health issues.”

The point he wants to drive home is that LGBT issues “are everyone’s business, because you can literally save someone’s life by being there for them and supporting them”.


“.... these are depressing times for those interested in changing the climate around LGBT issues in the UK. Protests in Birmingham against the teaching of LGBT equality; Ann Widdecombe’s comments about science finding a cure for homosexuality; and the backing of the one-time Tory leadership hopeful Esther McVey for allowing parents to withdraw their children from lessons around LGBT relationships are all, he says, disquieting.”



“What many people don’t appreciate is how it feels to be surrounded by these debates and controversy,” he says. “In those Birmingham schools, for example, we could expect one in 10 pupils to be LGBT; and their first experience of these issues will be people protesting at their school gates.”

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is a really good article actually, Swan...(..I can’t copy and paste it in full atm so I’ll just post the link but copy a few bits from it...)...





https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...gay-tim-ramsey


“I’m often struck by how similar our stories are,” he says. “I can’t remember a single teacher at school ever using the word ‘gay’. It really was the worst thing you could be. I was terrified of being the gay boy. I’d known since the age of about six, but I never spoke about it, never opened up to anyone. It was an intensely lonely experience, and that’s what leads to mental health issues.”

The point he wants to drive home is that LGBT issues “are everyone’s business, because you can literally save someone’s life by being there for them and supporting them”.


“.... these are depressing times for those interested in changing the climate around LGBT issues in the UK. Protests in Birmingham against the teaching of LGBT equality; Ann Widdecombe’s comments about science finding a cure for homosexuality; and the backing of the one-time Tory leadership hopeful Esther McVey for allowing parents to withdraw their children from lessons around LGBT relationships are all, he says, disquieting.”



“What many people don’t appreciate is how it feels to be surrounded by these debates and controversy,” he says. “In those Birmingham schools, for example, we could expect one in 10 pupils to be LGBT; and their first experience of these issues will be people protesting at their school gates.”

But they have enough acceptance. Oliver said.

[brat.]

because there is little to none representation in mainstream media, whilst every couple in movies, television shows etc. are straight, and when a gay relationship is involved it is focused upon them... being geigh rather than being a normal couple

why it's needed is exactly because of threads like this, saying "why does it need to gay"... well why doesn't it? it's not anything different and if as you say you "just see a man" then the fact of something being labelled as gay shouldn't affect you :mwah:

[Jessica.]

Men catcall women in the street, the other day a few women said it wasn't uncommon for men to sexually harass them. Straight men brandish their sexuality all over the place, you just don't notice because you are one.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Men catcall women in the street, the other day a few women said it wasn't uncommon for men to sexually harass them. Straight men brandish their sexuality all over the place, you just don't notice because you are one.

And I've had my arse felt by a gay bloke on more than one occasion...when I didn't ask for it.



Had my kilt.lifted by hungry women...again, when I didn't want it..

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And I've had my arse felt by a gay bloke on more than one occasion...when I didn't ask for it.

Okay, I'm not saying that's right, but that is one personal experience, the thread is about generally putting sexuality on display which isn't just done by people from the LGBT community.

[Marsh.]

Not interested Parm.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not interested Parm.

That's avoiding discussion right there....but hey ho.
.bye bye

[Marsh.]

Gays should just act straight until in the comfort of a gay bar (which from the outside does not look like a gay bar).

Then everyone is comfortable and safe.

[Jigs]

Very typical of a straight white man to complain that another persons identity is too much for them. You talk about us all being human beings but gay men continue to be persecuted and killed in countries where they are still viewed as pariahs. These are legitimate concerns which highlight exactly the reason why there is an ongoing fight to normalize homosexuality and to protect the lives of gay men/women and trans people across the world.

If you feel sick and tired of hearing about sexuality and race in discussions today then I would encourage you to focus your energy into thinking about why they are so prevalent. There exists very little productivity in your disapproval of people using certain words to describe themselves. To you, "gay", "trans", "black" are words that you've heard enough of. To others, they are words which define meaningful identities and are part of who we are.

What I'm trying to say is that I identify not only as a man but as a gay man and I will talk about it as much as I damn well want to~

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jigs

Very typical of a straight white man to complain that another persons identity is too much for them. You talk about us all being human beings but gay men continue to be persecuted and killed in countries where they are still viewed as pariahs. These are legitimate concerns which highlight exactly the reason why there is an ongoing fight to normalize homosexuality and to protect the lives of gay men/women and trans people across the world.

If you feel sick and tired of hearing about sexuality and race in discussions today then I would encourage you to focus your energy into thinking about why they are so prevalent. There exists very little productivity in your disapproval of people using certain words to describe themselves. To you, "gay", "trans", "black" are words that you've heard enough of. To others, they are words which define meaningful identities and are part of who we are.

What I'm trying to say is that I identify not only as a man but as a gay man and I will talk about it as much as I damn well want to~

Why are you bringing race into it? What does sexuality have to do with race?

And nope, you are just assuming. How dare you try and twist my opinion into something racist. I've had enough of people like you i really have.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Why are you bringing race into it? What does sexuality have to do with race?

And nope, you are just assuming. How dare you try and twist my opinion into something racist. I've had enough of people like you i really have.

You really are fragile

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ant.

You really are fragile

For accusing me that i have an issue with the colour of somebodies skin? Ok then.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by Swan

For accusing me that i have an issue with the colour of somebodies skin? Ok then.

What I've noticed from the very few posts I've seen of yours in this thread is that your worldview is very self-centered. Gays can't talk about their sexuality because it offends YOU. I can't bring up race issues in a discussion about sexuality as if the two aren't adjacent because it offends YOU.

Not everything is about you. I guess that's something you will learn in time. But then again, you're straight and white, so maybe not!