[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

No? I thought they didn't like muslims, Jews and gays too

Just Jews in the 70s if you were to scared to tattoo a German swastika on your head.

And the sudden spike in new members when corbyn and his anti semetic friends came into power only points one way for me, and that is that labours new membership is predominantly made up of dumb skinhead types having a mid life crisis.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Antisemitism, from my experience..seems to come more from the left than the right. And Corbyn has said some very questionable things too. Which does not help. I do think the papers overblow it a bit mind.

I didnt say misogyny was purely a Labour issue either. However, there are very big problems with regards to women with Labour in its current form. Misogyny is everywhere, but I do tend to see it more from blokes (oddly enough, usually with a beard?! Not sure why ) in the Labour party, or who are left wing.

And yes, thats kind of my point about members. Labour cannot control what they do. So to basically stop people supporting so they can't be blamed for the supporters views, would also mean that..the Party is just gone.


I did not claim otherwise..

If you look at any statistic it really isn't a left leaning issue. I really don't know what your sources are that Labour is crawling with misogynists..
Are you really advocating disbanding a whole party due to 0.06% of the membership?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just Jews in the 70s if you were to scared to tattoo a German swastika on your head.

And the sudden spike in new members when corbyn and his anti semetic friends came into power only points one way for me, and that is that labours new membership is predominantly made up of dumb skinhead types having a mid life crisis.

That's just nonsense, sorry.

[Underscore]

Labour are institutionally racist end of

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Labour are institutionally racist end of

Oh come on I have my issues with current Labour but that's clearly not true.

[thesheriff443]

From the middle ground!.

Without doubt, there is, racism, sexism discrimination and corruption within all political parties within in the police within the army, in your place of work, pub, super market, basically it’s in every part of life.

You can pick a side but they are all the same just with different names.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you look at any statistic it really isn't a left leaning issue. I really don't know what your sources are that Labour is crawling with misogynists..
Are you really advocating disbanding a whole party due to 0.06% of the membership?

Oh dear. No I am not seriously advocating for that, it is basically what came to mind when trying to sort issues in my head. There IS no way to sort out the behaviour/views of members really, without stopping members joining fullstop, as obviously MPs cannot control the general public in that way..if anything, I was sticking up for Labour there, As people expect too much I think of political parties, you cannot mindcontrol someone just because they paid a fiver fee to join or whatever it is..its impossible. As such, you cannot blame Labour for there being some unsavoury characters in their ranks. Same as other parties tbh..

You could reasonably expect their MPs to not come out with questionable stuff. You cannot blame Corbyn for the behaviour of members. Put simply

Did not mean for that to be taken as a serious suggestion at all

Also..I have no sources for personal opinion/experience. Kind of thought that went without saying.

[bots]

What I find interesting is that I previously outlined that antisemitism is on the rise across europe. I was asked to provide evidence of this, which I did, and yet faced with those facts, no-one made any further comment .... go figure

The rise in antisemitism is pretty obvious within the labour party. Numerous examples have been highlighted of Corbyn displaying this behaviour and of the labour party executive condoning it. I find it abhorrent that people try and make excuses for it or try to deflect from it happening.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What I find interesting is that I previously outlined that antisemitism is on the rise across europe. I was asked to provide evidence of this, which I did, and yet faced with those facts, no-one made any further comment .... go figure

The rise in antisemitism is pretty obvious within the labour party. Numerous examples have been highlighted of Corbyn displaying this behaviour and of the labour party executive condoning it. I find it abhorrent that people try and make excuses for it or try to deflect from it happening.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

What I find interesting is that I previously outlined that antisemitism is on the rise across europe. I was asked to provide evidence of this, which I did, and yet faced with those facts, no-one made any further comment .... go figure

The rise in antisemitism is pretty obvious within the labour party. Numerous examples have been highlighted of Corbyn displaying this behaviour and of the labour party executive condoning it. I find it abhorrent that people try and make excuses for it or try to deflect from it happening.

Great post. Attacks on Jews was up again last year, at a record high. If people don't think that's related to Labour's stance, then they should read more. And this from a Party who tell us constantly that not all Muslims are terrorists... but have a bit of a struggle understanding that not all Jews are Israeli.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh come on I have my issues with current Labour but that's clearly not true.

Luciana Berger thought it was true and she was on the receiving end of it as a Jewish MP. It's one of the main reasons she left the party

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh dear. No I am not seriously advocating for that, it is basically what came to mind when trying to sort issues in my head. There IS no way to sort out the behaviour/views of members really, without stopping members joining fullstop, as obviously MPs cannot control the general public in that way..if anything, I was sticking up for Labour there, As people expect too much I think of political parties, you cannot mindcontrol someone just because they paid a fiver fee to join or whatever it is..its impossible. As such, you cannot blame Labour for there being some unsavoury characters in their ranks. Same as other parties tbh..

You could reasonably expect their MPs to not come out with questionable stuff. You cannot blame Corbyn for the behaviour of members. Put simply

Did not mean for that to be taken as a serious suggestion at all

Also..I have no sources for personal opinion/experience. Kind of thought that went without saying.

Ł46.56 to join labour...the dearest of the 6 main parties..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ł46.56 to join labour...the dearest of the 6 main parties..

Is that true? Wow.... that's a lot.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ł46.56 to join labour...the dearest of the 6 main parties..

Is it really..I am sure I remember when the leadership vote was on, people complaining that all others had to do was pay a fiver to join, or something along those lines

I tend to learn something new each day, as he saying goes. This is the thing I have learnt, prof parm

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is that true? Wow.... that's a lot.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...olved-pitfalls

[Vicky.]

From the guardian link..quite sure this is where I was getting mixed up

You don’t need to pay the full fee if you only want to vote in the Labour leadership election, however – for a one-off minimum fee of Ł3 you can become a “registered supporter” and will get a ballot paper. Those who have signed up as Labour party supporters through an affiliated organisation or union will also be entitled to vote.

Assumed only proper members could vote on that, so thought the membership fee was very low.

[Livia]

I remember the "join the Labour party and vote in the leadership election for Ł3!" Lots of Labour supporters and supporters of other parties joined the Tories for the last leadership election, Ł25, hoping to vote. But you have to be a member for 3 months in the Tories before you're allowed to vote. I hear there were a lot of refunds requested.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

From the guardian link..quite sure this is where I was getting mixed up



Assumed only proper members could vote on that, so thought the membership fee was very low.

Surely you get a badge as well for 3 quid.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

From the guardian link..quite sure this is where I was getting mixed up



Assumed only proper members could vote on that, so thought the membership fee was very low.

Only full members can vote in the Tory's leadership elections. Obviously Labour thinks differently these days.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Luciana Berger thought it was true and she was on the receiving end of it as a Jewish MP. It's one of the main reasons she left the party

A fish stinks from the head, and I think there's certainly a lot of antisemitism in Labour right now, but I don't think the party is "institutionally racist", especially when discounting the Corbyn crew

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

A fish stinks from the head, and I think there's certainly a lot of antisemitism in Labour right now, but I don't think the party is "institutionally racist", especially when discounting the Corbyn crew

I do agree with that, it only really became a problem when Corbyn took over. And the Labour party's current stance emboldens anti-Semites... and so Jews are suffering more attacks year on year. It's being normalised.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Oh dear. No I am not seriously advocating for that, it is basically what came to mind when trying to sort issues in my head. There IS no way to sort out the behaviour/views of members really, without stopping members joining fullstop, as obviously MPs cannot control the general public in that way..if anything, I was sticking up for Labour there, As people expect too much I think of political parties, you cannot mindcontrol someone just because they paid a fiver fee to join or whatever it is..its impossible. As such, you cannot blame Labour for there being some unsavoury characters in their ranks. Same as other parties tbh..

You could reasonably expect their MPs to not come out with questionable stuff. You cannot blame Corbyn for the behaviour of members. Put simply

Did not mean for that to be taken as a serious suggestion at all

Also..I have no sources for personal opinion/experience. Kind of thought that went without saying.

Ah right sorry vicky yes of course I agree with you then, it's always being said that the membership is representative of a cross section of society as a whole ... in 540,000 people youre bound to encounter a few cranks.

Your personal opinion is valid of course but it would help to know what led you to think that in relation to labour and not other parties as we know they all have their faults.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do agree with that, it only really became a problem when Corbyn took over. And the Labour party's current stance emboldens anti-Semites... and so Jews are suffering more attacks year on year. It's being normalised.

That’s factually incorrect, most of the claims of antisemitism were made before and sat on until Jeremy took over, Jews aren’t being attacked because a minuscule percentage of labour members have been accused of antisemitism, what a ridiculous thing to say

[Nicky91]

i haven't said much of Labour, Corbyn in this thread

i don't support Labour with Corbyn as leader


i more like Labour like our dutch one my previous post on here had a lot of examples who we had as labour party leaders (some who ended up becoming our PM, or one time when Labour was a good allied party for the PM's party CDA, Ruud Lubbers's era)


and proof that our dutch labour isn't anti-semitic, well we had someone with jewish background as one of their leaders from 2010-2012 Job Cohen, who had that function joined with his role as mayor of amsterdam that time, he wasn't forced out, he left because he couldn't combine both roles and his heart belonged to amsterdam slightly more but he had brought his replacement for labour forward himself

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i haven't said much of Labour, Corbyn in this thread

i don't support Labour with Corbyn as leader


i more like Labour like our dutch one my previous post on here had a lot of examples who we had as labour party leaders (some who ended up becoming our PM, or one time when Labour was a good allied party for the PM's party CDA, Ruud Lubbers's era)


and proof that our dutch labour isn't anti-semitic, well we had someone with jewish background as one of their leaders from 2010-2012 Job Cohen, who had that function joined with his role as mayor of amsterdam that time, he wasn't forced out, he left because he couldn't combine both roles and his heart belonged to amsterdam slightly more but he had brought his replacement for labour forward himself

Our Labour had Milliband up to 2015. And other prominent Jewish politicians
So I dont know if this is relevant way of judging anything