[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf every time an Election comes around the Media rile up the masses against the opposition at every opportunity.

I mean look at the **** that they printed about Ed Miliband and his Father so that the public would vote for David Cameron.

And don't get me started on the slander towards Corbyn.

And tbh my way was also the correct perspective, the Tories have had 9 years to run this country properly before Boris and they've failed, they're just incredibly lucky that the Media give them a help in hand, and that Labour have been infighting.

How do you run a country properly?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.

[Jigs]

This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.

I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Jigs

This was a Brexit-centric election above anything else. Corbyn's promises to help the marginalised communities of our nation fell on deaf ears whereas Boris was Brexit focused and it paid off. People simply care more about Brexit than anything else at the moment so I'm not surprised at the result. I hope once Brexit's said and done that we can truly move forward with the real issues that this nation faces.

I realise the point of an election is for people to vote in their own interests but I do wonder how different the results would've been had the people of this country thought a little more about the 'what ifs'. What if I or someone that I love becomes gravely ill under a Tory government in the next 5 years? What if I encounter financial hardship and have to rely on the state? What if a fridge in my tower block goes up in flames and I lose my home? What then?
No one deserves to feel like they will be neglected or ignored by the people who run their country and should hold their best interests at heart. I think that's what bothers a lot of Labour supporters about the current state of affairs and this Tory government.

Brexit has become a religion.

[Beastie]

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Beastie

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, sort yourselves out you dossers’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Drivel, everyone wants to make better of themselves and their lives, not everybody has the capability or the things necessary to be able to do so, I’m tired of this ‘its your fault you’re poor and needy, nobody else’s’ it’s elitist bull**** used to try and justify continuously knocking the disadvantaged

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

Big L

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you share a bedroom with 8 brothers and sisters?

I don't. And another thing. Having children is a LIFESTYLE choice. People moaning about benefits for their sprogs. If you can't afford them then don't have them. Or live with the consequences of living frugally. Why is the government and other people getting blamed for the lifestyle you have chosen

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?

Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?

Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.

Privileged ignorance. A lot of people who claim that finding work is easy haven't done it in today's climates or has relied on pre-formed professional relationships or bonds to find something. People who act like finding a job is easy would likely live long term on the benefits they like to demonise others for being on if they had to start over fresh and find a job in today's market.

They just don't live in the real world when it comes to the job market.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Beastie

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

It’s not always that simple. Yes for some people it can be, they can experience an episode of poverty episodically and have ways and means of getting their way out. Unfortunately for many they are born in a cycle of poverty, look it up, it’s not fiction it’s fact.

[Tom4784]

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

Bollox and you know it .


Boris is gonna revive the NHS and the other services and the best part of all that will be seeing thousands of labour doubters squirming ..

Edit

I’ve just seen Richard Burgon being interviewed by Sophie Ridge on Sky News .. well she couldn’t interview him as appears to be a robot ( with some serious glitches ) .

What a complete idiot ..

Boris must be praying this chump is the next Labour leader




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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Bollox and you know it .


Boris is gonna revive the NHS

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Boris said he’d invest in the NHS before the election and he was even more determined to drastically improve things AFTER the win .... he could have simply kept quiet !!

Boris has only been in charge a few weeks - it’s not his fault what’s happened in the past .. especially given the number of hospital cases has seemingly trebled over recent years ... classic demand outweighing supply .


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Boris said he’d invest in the NHS before the election and he was even more determined to drastically improve things AFTER the win .... he could have simply kept quiet !!

Boris has said many things, all of them contradictory both before and after the election. He may as well have kept quiet given the non-information he's been providing.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

[bots]

i think it is a tiny percentage of people across the political spectrum that oppose the NHS, that is just an incorrect statement. There are differing views on how it should be managed which is no great surprise given it's enormous size, but that in no way suggests people oppose it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

The tories have exploded the debt and deficit. Labour had to take the hit because of the financial crisis. Tories cut services purely because of ideological reasons. You really have no idea how much worse the financial situation is after a decade of tory rule? That would be cute if it didn't perfectly sum up the electorate.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.

Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.

Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.

Yes in 2025 the blair years will still be seen as the most appalling times, and we will still be suffering for those year i am sure

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?



Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.



Give him time.

Exactly... he will want to be regarded as a success not a failure.


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[Kizzy]

Yes that must be it, they've spent years running it down to revive it.. :/