[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fun will really start when everybody stops moaning or gloating, depending on which side you're on, and the government is given a chance.

Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Beastie

It's true for MOST people. Folk need to take responsibility for themselves before moaning at everyone else. My grandad was poor and had to share a bedroom with his 8 other brothers and sisters. They didn't moan and got on with it and made them learn to strive for more.

The only exception are people who are genuinely disabled.

So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?

Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.

[Tom4784]

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by Beastie

People saying they are now worse off because conservatives are in power. It's up to YOU and YOUR lifestyle and whether you want to make changes or not in your life to become better off.

It’s not always that simple. Yes for some people it can be, they can experience an episode of poverty episodically and have ways and means of getting their way out. Unfortunately for many they are born in a cycle of poverty, look it up, it’s not fiction it’s fact.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So you think people should struggle to live because they made a mistake in their lifestyle choices? What happened to try and give people a second chance?

Also I love how people seem to think that it's so easy to just get a job.

Privileged ignorance. A lot of people who claim that finding work is easy haven't done it in today's climates or has relied on pre-formed professional relationships or bonds to find something. People who act like finding a job is easy would likely live long term on the benefits they like to demonise others for being on if they had to start over fresh and find a job in today's market.

They just don't live in the real world when it comes to the job market.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Privileged ignorance. A lot of people who claim that finding work is easy haven't done it in today's climates or has relied on pre-formed professional relationships or bonds to find something. People who act like finding a job is easy would likely live long term on the benefits they like to demonise others for being on if they had to start over fresh and find a job in today's market.

They just don't live in the real world when it comes to the job market.

This.

[Ammi]

...we were a society who looked out for and helped those who had less and who struggled more...we admired the strength of their characters through their struggles and we understood...’there but for the grace of God, go I..’...?...now, those people appear to be looked down on/thought lesser than because ‘they’re not trying hard enough’ or whatever...?...some people try so hard and feel so worthless and so despaired that they end their lives...and still the judgement and dehumanising continues...are these the great British values of today that are being fought so hard to preserve...


...it’s very, very sad...how insular and self serving our society has become ....

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

Bollox and you know it .


Boris is gonna revive the NHS and the other services and the best part of all that will be seeing thousands of labour doubters squirming ..

Edit

I’ve just seen Richard Burgon being interviewed by Sophie Ridge on Sky News .. well she couldn’t interview him as appears to be a robot ( with some serious glitches ) .

What a complete idiot ..

Boris must be praying this chump is the next Labour leader




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[Kizzy]

Yes that must be it, they've spent years running it down to revive it.. :/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.

Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.

[Ammi]

...Boris is a man who even in his campaign to be leader... couldn’t look at or comment on the image of a child laying on a hospital floor...what was more sickening..the child’s image or the lack of concern shown by ‘our leader’ for a child with suspected pneumonia and his ‘waiting time’ in hospital...people have every reason to be concerned, to be devastated and deflated and that should be respected...many people have ‘waited to see what happens’ in their poverty under a Conservative government in this country...they’ve waited and they’ve waited and they’ve waited...and they have every right to have no faith in someone who has so far, given us nothing but words and slogans...when presented with a sick child, an opportunity for action...even a ‘media opportunity’...he turned his face away...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.

like what Boris said, more unity pls


FINALLY the thing they realize what you need to get brexit done, which is getting unity in britain

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you voted Tory, you oppose the NHS, you oppose public services and you oppose helping the vulnerable. You can lie and say otherwise but your actions speak louder than words.

Tories have been cutting funding for the NHS and public services since they took power in 2010 so by voting for them, you've okayed such measures. A Tory voter that claims to care about the NHS or public services is a liar.

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

[bots]

i think it is a tiny percentage of people across the political spectrum that oppose the NHS, that is just an incorrect statement. There are differing views on how it should be managed which is no great surprise given it's enormous size, but that in no way suggests people oppose it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

The tories have exploded the debt and deficit. Labour had to take the hit because of the financial crisis. Tories cut services purely because of ideological reasons. You really have no idea how much worse the financial situation is after a decade of tory rule? That would be cute if it didn't perfectly sum up the electorate.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?

Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.

Give him time.

Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.

Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.

people had the right to vote for another party at FOUR elections and each time they rejected labour. I think its best to put it that way so that it puts it in the correct perspective. Labour have been rejected. They need to shake it up if they want to ever be elected again. Moaning from the sidelines doesn't achieve anything.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well you are right but they weren't lead by Boris,at least give him a chance, if he's crap he can be kicked out,no one knows what sort of PM he will be now,his hands were kind of tied before over Brexit, lets just see what happens.

It never takes very long for the losers in any kind of vote to start making up reason why they're still right, even after a crushing defeat. British people kicked out Corbyn and his friends, they made it crystal clear that his kind of politics was not wanted.

Apparently if you voted Conservative, you voted to end the NHS.

If you voted Labour, you're an anti-Semite. Isn't that as fair as the line above?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It never takes very long for the losers in any kind of vote to start making up reason why they're still right, even after a crushing defeat. British people kicked out Corbyn and his friends, they made it crystal clear that his kind of politics was not wanted.

Apparently if you voted Conservative, you voted to end the NHS.

If you voted Labour, you're an anti-Semite. Isn't that as fair as the line above?

Just because someone won an election it doesnt make them correct

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Of course they're not doing it for ****s and giggles, they're doing it so they can sell it of piece by piece to their rich buddies and America.

Stop blaming Labour for ****, they've not been in power for nearly a decade. I swear come 2025 people will still be blaming Labour.

Yes in 2025 the blair years will still be seen as the most appalling times, and we will still be suffering for those year i am sure

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Do you really think they are been cutting it for **** and giggles?



Labour bankrupt the country, we had a deficit to repay, now with the good work of the Tories the country is in a much better position and Boris has promised to spend more on the NHS.



Give him time.

Exactly... he will want to be regarded as a success not a failure.


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Just because someone won an election it doesnt make them correct

The Blair Years ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

[The Slim Reaper]

#getbrexitdone

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the Tories have had 9 years, I think that people have a right at this point to complain about their mistreatment of a lot of people in this country.