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Zizu · 19-01-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Fair enough but far from the point Zizu was making.

Racism should not be toletated, no matter their age.

I imagine the tourettes-like older racists are a very slim number.

You imagine lots of things though .. soooooo

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Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

You imagine lots of things though .. soooooo

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Grow up lad.

MB. · 19-01-2020, 11:33 AM

again, you're all losing your panties over a lip sync

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MB.

again, you're all losing your panties over a lip sync

Not really. The discussion became more general about the topic, not specific to the video.

user104658 · 19-01-2020, 12:27 PM

I mean...

1) This isn't the original video, it's a lip sync.

2) It's a "viral TikTok" and you can therefore be 90% sure it didn't literally happen. That's not to say it DOESN'T happen, but you can be pretty sure that this specific example is fiction.

3) One of the first things they say is "they were clearly mentally ill", and ignoring parts 1) and 2) and pretending that this IS a real thing... no, I don't think it's "funny" to talk about or encourange violence e.g. "punching a mentally ill person in the throat" for any reason, it's actually pretty grim. Mentally ill and learning disabled people say inappropriate and offensive things. No one has to accept it or like it but maybe not applaud aggressive language and assault

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Zizu · 19-01-2020, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean...

1) This isn't the original video, it's a lip sync.

2) It's a "viral TikTok" and you can therefore be 90% sure it didn't literally happen. That's not to say it DOESN'T happen, but you can be pretty sure that this specific example is fiction.

3) One of the first things they say is "they were clearly mentally ill", and ignoring parts 1) and 2) and pretending that this IS a real thing... no, I don't think it's "funny" to talk about or encourange violence e.g. "punching a mentally ill person in the throat" for any reason, it's actually pretty grim. Mentally ill and learning disabled people say inappropriate and offensive things. No one has to accept it or like it but maybe not applaud aggressive language and assault

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Thank you . At last a measured , informed, mature response to a difficult subject

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Tom4784 · 19-01-2020, 01:33 PM

That's a lot of hoops to jump through to defend a racist.

Josy · 19-01-2020, 02:54 PM

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Zizu · 19-01-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Interesting

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Shaun · 19-01-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Another well informed and balanced post for you Zizu.

Crimson Dynamo · 19-01-2020, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Its made up, it never happened - this person probably is so stupid they think that an old lady in the street can remember 1830 when she was probably born in 1940.

in creating some fanfiction to get likes on social media all they have done is illustrate how intolerant and poorly educated they are

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its made up, it never happened - this person probably is so stupid they think that an old lady in the street can remember 1830 when she was probably born in 1940.

in creating some fanfiction to get likes on social media all they have done is illustrate how intolerant and poorly educated they are

I don't think the goal in a lip sync intended for humour is to be historically accurate. Probably just to be funny.

Crimson Dynamo · 19-01-2020, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think the goal in a lip sync intended for humour is to be historically accurate. Probably just to be funny.

well its should be

Zizu · 22-01-2020, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

The difference is that you are referring to specifics whilst I was generalising .

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