[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I thought it was really good

Did you see the bit where the guy said about him mum and gran swapping seats and nobody knowing how it happened?

Yeah but I just don't believe them

I will watch it to the end but it's a chore.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I got bored half way through the Alien one, I'm not a fan of those type ones

...I actually a little bit fell asleep through that one and didn’t bother to recap...

[MB.]

Is the third episode done well? I listened to a podcast on the case not too long ago, but if the episode is worth watching I'd be interested in revisiting it

(I've watched eps 1, 2 and 4 so far, and really hope the family in episode 4 get closure one day)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Is the third episode done well? I listened to a podcast on the case not too long ago, but if the episode is worth watching I'd be interested in revisiting it

(I've watched eps 1, 2 and 4 so far, and really hope the family in episode 4 get closure one day)

Well it doesn't really shed any light on what happened, you probably would have gotten more information from your Podcast. That case was maddening more than anything, it seems like that one should have been solved but the Police didn't bother investigating it properly imo

Oh sorry I got the episodes mixed up. Ep 3 is the house of terror one

It is well done yeah, hopefully someone watching recognises that scumbag after watching the show

[Smithy]

What I found really really odd about the French one was

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the son which came home from uni on the second day, under the guise that his mum has been in an accident and was in a coma etc etc, didn’t insist on going to see her at the hospital straight away? And that he sat at home to have a drink with his dad? It just didn’t make sense to me

[Ammi]

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...maybe Xavier drugged him with sleeping medication as soon as he came home...?..

[Ammi]

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...also there are only specific visiting hours in the hospital and sometimes they’re restricted, depending on how critical the condition..

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also there are only specific visiting hours in the hospital and sometimes they’re restricted, depending on how critical the condition..

But if it was restricted hours surely he’d have wondered where his brothers and sister were?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...maybe Xavier drugged him with sleeping medication as soon as he came home...?..

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Yeah that's what meant, he probably said we'll go see her in a few minutes, here have a drink, you must be thirsty after your journey or whatever

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Yeah that what meant, he probably said we'll go see her in a few minutes, here have a drink, you must be thirsty after your journey or whatever

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...apparently Thomas and his father ate out when he came home...I think that he gave him the drink with sleeping medication in and then took him out for a meal while the medication kicked in sufficiently..witnesses have said that Thomas looked very ill at the restaurant and they barely spoke...

[Ammi]

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...he took his wife and other 3 children for a meal and to a movie just before he killed them as well...so calm and duplicitous and with no emotion at all, a complete psychopath...and maybe that he’d already medicated them and this was the time needed for the medication to kick in to what he needed...

[Niamh.]

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Oh yeah I was thinking that too Smithy, but maybe the dad said that visiting hours was later or something or maybe he said yeah we'll go see her when your brother gets back from school or whatever, the reenactment was just a reenactment and not necessarily accurate to what happened

[Smithy]

I know, but I’d just find it odd, like if I got home and my mum was apparently in hospital and none of my siblings were around I’d want to go there straight away

[Niamh.]

Yeah that thought crossed my mind too Ammi.

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It seems like he was hoping that everyone would just believe his story that they were off in America being spies. Like all this was just so he could save face. That he would rather kill his whole family than become "disgraced" that people knew he was broke. Talk about weak and evil

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that thought crossed my mind too Ammi.

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It seems like he was hoping that everyone would just believe his story that they were off in America being spies. Like all this was just so he could save face. That he would rather kill his whole family than become "disgraced" that people knew he was broke. Talk about weak and evil

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

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Well I mean if you're willing to kill your wife and children, i don't think you're going to be too worried about killing your dogs as well tbf

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

Lol...if someone’s going to do what he did I don’t suppose he would give to ****s about the dogs.

[Smithy]

Oh yeah I didn’t get the need to kill the dogs

[Smithy]

I know that sounds stupid bc he killed his whole family but he did that because he was ashamed and didn’t want them to live poor, but like, give the dogs away??

[rusticgal]

We started watching last night. I can’t make out how that guy fell through the roof at that point...it was too far from the building unless there was a strong wind..

[Braden]

I watched episode one last night and it bothers me that Ray’s family have no closure over the situation — it’s the stuff of nightmares, really.

I go back and forth as to whether he was murdered or if it was suicide. It could’ve been an accidental death but the injuries don’t make sense if it were. I’ve read that he could’ve gone through a psychotic episode and he ended up killing himself, but like others have said — his friend not co-operating is suspicious.

[Niamh.]

Braden and Rusticgal, my theory on it is :

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he was murdered, firstly the call he got that made him leave his house (never to be seen alive again) came from inside his work office which was next door to the building where he was found dead. If he got a call from work that made him leave then logically he was rushing to work because someone asked him to meet them there. I think he must have had some information of maybe dodgy dealings going on there and someone (maybe his friend Porter) wasn't happy and wanted to shut him up (odd that Porter got lawyers involved, refused to help the Police involving his bloody best friend's possible murder and got a gagging order on his employees) I think maybe he was killed (or seriously injured and incapacitated) by a blow to the head (he had skull fractures in the autopsy) and maybe whoever did it dragged him to that roof (which might have caused those unusual injuries to his tibia) and pushed him threw that hole in the roof hoping that it would look like he committed suicide

PS. Braden he had absolutely no history of mental health issues though so a psychotic episode would be a reach I think

[Ammi]

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...yeah, all of that, Niamh....plus the alarm going off in his house for two nights and him appearing very frightened...I definitely think Porter was involved in his murder...

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Braden and Rusticgal, my theory on it is :

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he was murdered, firstly the call he got that made him leave his house (never to be seen alive again) came from inside his work office which was next door to the building where he was found dead. If he got a call from work that made him leave then logically he was rushing to work because someone asked him to meet them there. I think he must have had some information of maybe dodgy dealings going on there and someone (maybe his friend Porter) wasn't happy and wanted to shut him up (odd that Porter got lawyers involved, refused to help the Police involving his bloody best friend's possible murder and got a gagging order on his employees) I think maybe he was killed (or seriously injured and incapacitated) by a blow to the head (he had skull fractures in the autopsy) and maybe whoever did it dragged him to that roof (which might have caused those unusual injuries to his tibia) and pushed him threw that hole in the roof hoping that it would look like he committed suicide

PS. Braden he had absolutely no history of mental health issues though so a psychotic episode would be a reach I think

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Your theory definitely makes sense. Though, I will say that having no history of mental health issues doesn't necessarily mean that an individual still can't go through a psychotic break. We're still living in times where mental health is a taboo topic, and back in 2006 it was probably worse for a grown man to be open about something like that, so could be possible for him to go through it without a history of mental health issues. I do think it's a bit of reach, however.

I also read a theory online about Ray and Porter having a relationship. The thought crossed my mind but I disregarded it quickly — no concrete evidence to suggest it. However, it is weird that Ray moved to Baltimore to be with Porter, even if it was for work. I think it's viable he would rush to see him after a phone call, especially when his wife wasn't in Baltimore. Also, he could've gagged his employees because they knew more about their relationship. Not sure why he'd want to kill him, though?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Braden

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Your theory definitely makes sense. Though, I will say that having no history of mental health issues doesn't necessarily mean that an individual still can't go through a psychotic break. We're still living in times where mental health is a taboo topic, and back in 2006 it was probably worse for a grown man to be open about something like that, so could be possible for him to go through it without a history of mental health issues. I do think it's a bit of reach, however.

I also read a theory online about Ray and Porter having a relationship. The thought crossed my mind but I disregarded it quickly — no concrete evidence to suggest it. However, it is weird that Ray moved to Baltimore to be with Porter, even if it was for work. I think it's viable he would rush to see him after a phone call, especially when his wife wasn't in Baltimore. Also, he could've gagged his employees because they knew more about their relationship. Not sure why he'd want to kill him, though?

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Yeah I mean obviously it's not impossible that he could have had a breakdown or episode but because of the other factors in the lead up coupled with his wife or anyone else in his life not noticing anything to suggest it, it just seems unlikely to me

That's an interesting theory about him and Porter but why kill him or be trying to scare him with the alarm etc. Surely if he was being blackmailed it wouldn't involve scare tactics like that hhhmmmm, interesting one though