[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Something that irks me is when people seem to differentiate between ephebiphillia and "proper" paedophillia. A child is a child, even if they are a teenager...

Oh god, I know what you mean, it's sickening. There's no degrees to it, a child is a child and it's abuse. Underage is underage.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Something that irks me is when people seem to differentiate between ephebiphillia and "proper" paedophillia. A child is a child, even if they are a teenager...

There -is- a psychological difference though. The issue of consent is obviously no different and people who abuse teenagers are no less morally abhorrent than those who abuse children, it's not so much a difference in moral severity, but there is a difference in motivation. Past the point of puberty is "biological adulthood" - so (for example) animals would consider that the point of distinction, and also humans pre-civilisation would have been sexually active in the early teens. As a (supposedly) civilized species we understand that a child is NOT an adult at that simple biological marker, up until the age of consent.

In psychological terms it's an important distinction though, because animals and cave-people would instinctually not be sexually interested in pre-pubescent children before the age of sexual maturity, with morals taken completely out of the equation. In fact, it's that distinction that makes paedophilia quite clearly "abnormal psychology".

It's easiest to illustrate if you go to the close-in-age teens range. A 19 year old who is attracted to a 15 year old is clearly not psychologically "a paedophile". However he has a MORAL imperative to leave said 15 year old the **** alone.

[Jigs]

Saying that, I definitely feel like there should be more acceptance to the idea of rehabilitating paedophiles who wish to have therapy regarding the situation. We can't just throw them all in prison so any paedophile that hasn't committed a crime but wants to get rid of these thoughts should be encouraged to do so and feel safe during the process.

[Greg!]

That picture seems fake and created to provoke outrage. Why does it have the TED logo for example? What would they gain from defending paedophiles?

[thesheriff443]

I’ve heard it referred to as an illness.

[user104658]

Just btw...

https://factcheck.afp.com/image-hoax...ng-boards-2018

This is a hoax. BUT these people do very much exist - like I said I had the (dis)pleasure of conversing at length with one a few years back.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just btw...

https://factcheck.afp.com/image-hoax...ng-boards-2018

This is a hoax. BUT these people do very much exist - like I said I had the (dis)pleasure of conversing at length with one a few years back.

Thats Why I asked Josy
as so many are against Facebook.


Good Find TS.



JOSY Edit your title please

Or Delete this thread please

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Why I asked Josy
as so many are against Facebook.


Good Find TS.



JOSY Edit your title please

Or Delete this thread please

Thank my wife - she came home from work and I was like "Did u see this thing from facebook?" and she went on her phone for 20 seconds and was like "Feke".

She's an internets expert.

[Josy]

Was just coming in to post that fb deleted my post as it was a hoax then noticed TS post

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Why I asked Josy
as so many are against Facebook.


Good Find TS.



JOSY Edit your title please

Or Delete this thread please

No I wont delete the thread Arista.

There are people and groups that push this agenda and there is clearly a good debate to be had as the thread clearly shows.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd the same to the TL today about Wayfair USA

[Rob!]

I mean, fake or not, it does have the potential to create discussion on the topic. I have often wondered about this. The stereotypical image of a pedophile is the Glitters and Savilles of the world. A creepy, lecherous skidmark of humanity who deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (and yes, many are like that and yes they do deserve to burn.)
They can't ALL be like that though? Surely there are people that realise they have these feelings and are filled with nothing but disgust and fear for what they are?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I mean, fake or not, it does have the potential to create discussion on the topic. I have often wondered about this. The stereotypical image of a pedophile is the Glitters and Savilles of the world. A creepy, lecherous skidmark of humanity who deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (and yes, many are like that and yes they do deserve to burn.)
They can't ALL be like that though? Surely there are people that realise they have these feelings and are filled with nothing but disgust and fear for what they are?

It’s not an orientation though. They should seek help.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Greg!

It’s not an orientation though. They should seek help.

Oh I'm not denying that, I'm just sort of wondering about the psychology behind it. IS it 100% evil fetish or are there people out there who know what they are and want to change it? Idk. I feel like there isn't a huge amount of answers on that side and frankly I don't want to litter my google search history with questions like "How do I know I'm a nonce"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

"How do I know I'm a nonce"

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Screaming

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I mean, fake or not, it does have the potential to create discussion on the topic. I have often wondered about this. The stereotypical image of a pedophile is the Glitters and Savilles of the world. A creepy, lecherous skidmark of humanity who deserves to burn in hell for all eternity (and yes, many are like that and yes they do deserve to burn.)
They can't ALL be like that though? Surely there are people that realise they have these feelings and are filled with nothing but disgust and fear for what they are?

There was an interesting documentary C4 did about this a few years ago called The Paedophile Next Door (I think it’s on Netflix now - if not probably all 4) where they interviewed a guy who says he’s never been able to help that’s he’s been attracted to children, that he’s never acted on it and never will but yeah it was an interesting watch

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Smithy

There was an interesting documentary C4 did about this a few years ago called The Paedophile Next Door (I think it’s on Netflix now - if not probably all 4) where they interviewed a guy who says he’s never been able to help that’s he’s been attracted to children, that he’s never acted on it and never will but yeah it was an interesting watch

I don't think I could watch it , but I remember hearing about it .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Smithy

There was an interesting documentary C4 did about this a few years ago called The Paedophile Next Door (I think it’s on Netflix now - if not probably all 4) where they interviewed a guy who says he’s never been able to help that’s he’s been attracted to children, that he’s never acted on it and never will but yeah it was an interesting watch

I think I saw that. Was it something like "the virtuous paedophile?"

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think I saw that. Was it something like "the virtuous paedophile?"

No it was The Paedophile Next Door

Youtube video

This is the full thing

[Ammi]

...one person’s story for Rob or anyone who may find it interesting...and not too long a read...


It’s a long time since I’ve described myself as a paedophile.
Paedophilia is a disorder, a deeply distressing sexual orientation.
For me, it's triggered by traumatic experiences in childhood.
I’m in my sixties now, but when I was a young boy my mother used to sit me on her lap while she dried me off after my bath, and she would fondle my genitals.
Her behaviour never felt sexual but, looking back, of course it was. I can’t remember exactly how long that went on but it was a long time. By the time it was over, I was self-harming.
I think my attraction to young boys came from what my mother did to me.
I first acknowledged my abnormality around the age of 15. That was when I first realised that I wasn’t changing mentally in the same way that other boys were changing.
They were taking an interest in women or, in one or two cases, in men. But I never did. I remained fixated on pre-adolescent boys, which was the age at which I had been sexually interfered with.
It was horrible.

I never even contemplated abusing a child. It was a million miles away from what I wanted to be - which was a normal adult man.
I hoped that as I grew older I’d grow into an adult sexual orientation, but it was like my development had stalled.
It was completely terrifying, and I felt revolted with myself.
I realised that it was likely that I would lead a very lonely life. I was scared that if people found out about my terrible thoughts it could lead to violence, physical attacks.
I went to university, where I had a group of friends and spent several years battling against the reality of my mental state. I had almost no sexual experience at that time.
I was eventually forced to face the fact that I wasn’t changing when I was outed by a housemate.
I guess he had noticed that if we started talking about children, I would change the subject. If we walked down the street and saw a family with children I would get uncomfortable.

I was sitting in the front room. All my mates were cooking the evening meal and I don’t think they realised I’d come downstairs. They were chatting away and I heard my friend say something like: “I think Jack’s interested in young boys.”
I put my coat on and quietly walked out of the house.
Walking out of that front door was like leaving one world and entering another.
I went to the university GP the next day. I said, “I’m a paedophile. Can this be cured?”
The conventional view of paedophilia is that it’s an incurable condition. But this doctor laughed - he laughed! And he said, “Of course it’s curable.”
It was an absolutely huge relief. The doctor didn’t challenge my identification with paedophilia, he just accepted it and said: “No problem, we’ll sort it.”

I got a referral letter to the Portman Clinic, which – amongst other services - offers specialist treatment for people with problematic sexual behaviours.
I went to London for my assessment a few weeks later. It was a midsummer’s day in 1972 and I remember walking on Hampstead Heath, watching the trees, listening to the birds, and thinking: “I’m going into a new life.”
The Portman Clinic’s treatments are long-term. I was seen by them for several years.
You talk freely and, over time, they construct a picture of your subconscious drivers.
After treatment, I was a very different person. I even developed a sexual interest in women, which felt extraordinarily liberating.
But there was a lot about me that was shy, inexperienced and naïve.
In a sense, I had to experience my adolescence years after all my peers. I'd had minimal sexual experience, all my friendships had been warped by my self-hatred and I had a huge lack of self-esteem.
I’m now in a good relationship, and have been for a long time with a woman whom I love.
She has always known about my former orientation, which will always be something I carry with me. No one else knows, not even my family.
I’ve since done things that I’m proud of in my life. They’re not huge achievements, but they’re achievements nonetheless. If I’ve got one regret, it’s that I’m only now doing this kind of advocacy work for paedophiles.
I work with a charity called StopSO, a specialist treatment organisation for the prevention of sexual offending. It’s a UK-wide organisation offering therapy to anyone who feels at risk of committing a sexual offence.

Paedophilia is not understood.
People think paedophilia is synonymous with child sexual abuse. But I would never have abused a child.
Most paedophiles have two warring drives within them: the urge to offend, and the urge to be normal. Most paedophiles are desperate for those desires to go away.
There are online communities where non-offending paedophiles can support each other.
I once discovered a woman online who was exactly like me. She was attracted to infants of the age at which she had been abuse. She also received therapy to treat her paedophilia.
But the demonisation of paedophiles makes it more difficult for non-offending young people who are worried about developing this sexual orientation to seek help.
I think every town in the country should have a clinic like the Portman. But we’re far from that. NHS budgets have been cut, not just in this particular area, in the whole field of psychiatric and mental health care.
We should be identifying sexually damaged young people and potential abusers, and treating them as early as we can. That’s a key way to break the cycle of sexual abuse.
Instead, if you’re a paedophile who has not offended, but you want help, it is very rare to get treatment on the NHS. Most of the time, you'll only get help after you've offended and already hurt someone.
I was lucky. Because of the help I got, I’ve been able to live a normal adult life. I’ve been able to address my issues in ways that others cannot.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/artic...9-54586689ae3c

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

There was an interesting documentary C4 did about this a few years ago called The Paedophile Next Door (I think it’s on Netflix now - if not probably all 4) where they interviewed a guy who says he’s never been able to help that’s he’s been attracted to children, that he’s never acted on it and never will but yeah it was an interesting watch

I can remember this documentary, I couldn't watch the entire thing I had to switch off.

[Amy Jade]

Facebook is the worst for reacting to reports. I remember a few months back there was a video of some kid dancing, he was from a video game group and looked about 12 - 13 and on his profile he had more content and much older men making gross comments.

A few people reported the worst of it and 3 of the people I talk to and myself got reports back saying it didn't violate the TOS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You don't chose it but you can choose to act on it.....

[Tom4784]

I remember a topic on here a few years back about the idea of peadophiles that are sickened by their own perversion, I think there was a few articles within it linked to stories of peadophiles who were trying everything to rid themselves of their urges.

It's an unpleasant topic to discuss through and through In some respects I could have sympathy for the ones who never hurt anyone but I just can't have any empathy for them regardless. It's a difficult subject to talk and think about.

[Josy]

I dont want to quote that post due to the length but if it's an illness that he could be 'cured' from then how can he also claim it's a sexual orientation?

Sexual orientation is natural imo it's not something that can be changed or 'cured'