[Crimson Dynamo]

[GiRTh]

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

Read some more.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

Read some more.

Had a quick look and we're still arguing if he's on his neck so no I've seen enough.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Had a quick look and we're still arguing if he's on his neck so no I've seen enough.

I never disputed that fwiw.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Swan

I never disputed that fwiw.

I almost missed the -'What about the people mouthing off at the police' Yeah I've definitely seen enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

We started with 'He's not on his neck' then we went to 'but, what did he do' now its 'even if he's handcuffed , he can still...'. And thats just in the first two pages. I wont bother reading any more. Lets talk about everything except the heavy handed tactics eh?

I mean there are only 3 pages, it's not a very long thread... and there was quite a bit of discussion about it being heavy-handed regardless early on in the thread. And I still think there's a fair bit of conflation going on. I genuinely think this is more an example of officers being poorly trained, then a deliberate attempt to harm. That's not an excuse but it's an important distinction.

[Kizzy]

Cuffs are restraints, they are effectively restraining someone who is already restrained.

The key word is proportionate... was the response proportionate to the threat?
1 unarmed man in cuffs, 2 officers one on legs one knealt on his neck/head area.
The suspension shows the police feel this is excessive.

The usual 'what if ' bull is totally irrelevant.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Cuffs are restraints, they are effectively restraining someone who is already restrained.

The key word is proportionate... was the response proportionate to the threat?
1 unarmed man in cuffs, 2 officers one on legs one knealt on his neck/head area.
The suspension shows the police feel this is excessive.

The usual 'what if ' bull is totally irrelevant.

This is a non story..a normal day in any town or city, it could have been anyone of any nationality or colour if that matters.

The left will dress it up to further divide normal british citizens to try and gain votes in the future.
Tibb will hurl racist accusations whilst seeing the colour of the criminal before anything else when a normal british citizens mentions the normality of it all..


But that's life I guess

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This is a non story..a normal day in any town or city, it could have been anyone of any nationality or colour if that matters.

The left will dress it up to further divide normal british citizens to try and gain votes in the future.
Tibb will hurl racist accusations whilst seeing the colour of the criminal before anything else when a normal british citizens mentions the normality of it all..


But that's life I guess

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

[GoldHeart]

What is wrong with the police , they have the guy on the floor helpless and handcuffed so why do they feel they need to use extra force !?? .

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think any of you are alright in all honesty.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply...Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply…Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

in other words, make the world a dictatorship run by the law enforcement elitists

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply...Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

No...

The police are not 'bouncers'
I'm sorry but if you think the police pander to the whims of the internet you are misled. They have a procedure to follow, if they choose to deviate from that then they are at risk of breaking the law themselves.
The police are not infallible, procedure is there for a reason, to keep both the police and the public safe.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

It is normal though, the police are merely bowing down to a perceived public opinion by coming out with the crap about an enquiry or whatever.

He's lucky this isn't the 79s n 80s or he would have been piled ogf the street into a van and beaten up.

Luckily for that thug the worlds gone soft.

[thesheriff443]

Hand cuffing from the front does not give the best level of restraint because someone who is cuffed that way still has a lot of range of movement.

The fact he is on the ground tells me he put up a struggle and had to be taken to the ground.

I’ve been arrested with out cuffs and without cuffs, resisting will get you no where only with a charge of resisting arrest or assault.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police bad

Grr

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

Nope the police are not bad, they are great, this incident is bad.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

As opposed to thinking the police are perfect..... because they're police?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

Is that the sequel episode to Buffy's Beer Bad?

I thought that I'd try and lighten up the mood a little bit.

[caprimint]

He should have taken the advice of his "bruv" sooner and relaxed himself.

[joeysteele]

The police do come across difficult situations and arrests every day.

They know how to get that situation under control once they have the suspect.

This was over the top and in light of the recent issue around George Floyd, as Ammi said.
It makes it more concerning.

This will add fuel to the praise it was filmed, however also to fuel suspicion against the police as to arrests not filmed.

Which is why the police need to act on this.
It was wrong to carry on being so heavy handed.
They are trained to use the minimum and only necessary force to apprehend any suspect/s.

They on this filmed arrest, failed to stick to that training on both counts.
In my view.

[smudgie]

The man has been charged.
He had a knife.
Well done to the police for tackling him.
Not going to comment on the restraint being over the top or not as I have no idea if it was needed or not.