[Liam-]

I didn’t say my opinion was more valid either, but carry on making it personal if you wish, it’s only what you accuse other people of doing all the time, but sure

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I didn’t say my opinion was more valid either, but carry on making it personal if you wish, it’s only what you accuse other people of doing all the time, but sure

I'm not making it personal, I'm specifically disagreeing with your opinion that retaliatory violence is a justifiable/morally sound response to aggression and pointing out that I find that younger people (not saying all do, or that no older people do) are more inclined to hold that position.

It's all entirely relevant to this thread?

[bots]

it's all about the circumstances of the particular interaction. I know I have gotten particularly angry in some interactions and I even hit someone one time

Peer pressure can have an enormous impact, similarly if someone feels intimidated etc, they can hit out ... it may be wrong ... but it happens. People rarely get any training on how to de-escalate a situation, and it's probably the most important lesson you can learn in life

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's all about the circumstances of the particular interaction. I know I have gotten particularly angry in some interactions and I even hit someone one time



Peer pressure can have an enormous impact, similarly if someone feels intimidated etc, they can hit out ... it may be wrong ... but it happens. People rarely get any training on how to de-escalate a situation, and it's probably the most important lesson you can learn in life

The only person I've ever hit that wasn't in actual self defense was at Uni and it was some tit from the rugby team which obviously is justified.

Also, relevant to the thread, I was 21 at the time and I wouldn't dream of it now. Not even a rugger.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not making it personal, I'm specifically disagreeing with your opinion that retaliatory violence is a justifiable/morally sound response to aggression and pointing out that I find that younger people (not saying all do, or that no older people do) are more inclined to hold that position.

It's all entirely relevant to this thread?

My age has nothing to do with it, so bringing it up to invalidate my opinion and telling me I need to grow up and that ‘anyone with half a brain’ would be against violence, is most definitely making it person, but like I said, you do you.

As it happens, I don’t believe in violence, unless you’re being attacked and then I believe you should defend yourself within a certain level, if they had dragged him to the floor and kicked his head in, I’d agree with you, but they didn’t, as far as victims of racial abuse and violence go, they were quite restrained

[Cherie]

The girl was the best of the lot, trying to ensure there was no violence, its nasty to hit out at an old person like that, the guy could be done for GBH now and get a record, you need to control yourself in public, yes the old guy was a racist but he now has the upper hand with a big egg on his forehead

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

My age has nothing to do with it, so bringing it up to invalidate my opinion and telling me I need to grow up and that ‘anyone with half a brain’ would be against violence, is most definitely making it person, but like I said, you do you.

I'll temper my opinions to spare your feelings then shall I?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'll temper my opinions to spare your feelings then shall I?

You haven’t hurt my feelings at all, I just find it hypocritical that you’re one of the first ones to get on your high horse and say people shouldn’t make discussions personal or, we shouldn’t try to invalidate people’s opinions, yet you’re quite happy to do both of those things yourself, if you want to debate my opinions that’s fine, that’s what SD is, but I think you’ll find it’s against the rules to insult and discuss people’s characters, but like I said, if that’s what you want to do then fine

[reece(:]

Think it's not the place for white people to comment on how a POC should react in the immediate instance of hateful racism towards them.

I will say that the bus driver should have immediately thrown the vile man off the bus though.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Think it's not the place for white people to comment on how a POC should react in the immediate instance of hateful racism towards them.

I will say that the bus driver should have immediately thrown the vile man off the bus though.

I think it's society's place to comment on violence regardless of colour actually but I do agree that the old man should have been the one asked to leave

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Think it's not the place for white people to comment on how a POC should react in the immediate instance of hateful racism towards them.

I will say that the bus driver should have immediately thrown the vile man off the bus though.

Up to the point of physical violence I agree, at that point I 100% disagree.

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Think it's not the place for white people to comment on how a POC should react in the immediate instance of hateful racism towards them.

I will say that the bus driver should have immediately thrown the vile man off the bus though.

No, he could get Hurt.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

No, he could get Hurt.

I agree it's too much to expect a driver to step in themself. He should have told him to get off and contacted police.

[Jack_]

1:00:59 (and also 25:16)

Youtube video

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Jack_

55:03 (and also 25:16)

Youtube video

A shame that folks won't really watch this and just scroll past it, especially the ones that really need to see it, in particular the "white genocide" crew.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

A shame that folks won't really watch this and just scroll past it, especially the ones that really need to see it, in particular the "white genocide" crew.

The entire video is excellent (and helps contextualise the excerpts), though probably a bit much to expect people to sit through. I used to be of the school of thought that “all violence is bad and made equal” until I watched this and did some follow up reading

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The entire video is excellent (and helps contextualise the excerpts), though probably a bit much to expect people to sit through. I used to be of the school of thought that “all violence is bad and made equal” until I watched this and did some follow up reading

...I’ll try to find time to watch it i it’s entirety, Jack...is it of the thought processing of ‘all responses aren’t equal..’...type thing..?.../...I will try to find time to watch it, though...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The entire video is excellent (and helps contextualise the excerpts), though probably a bit much to expect people to sit through. I used to be of the school of thought that “all violence is bad and made equal” until I watched this and did some follow up reading

I've added it to my watch later for the next time I need some background noise, so I'll give the whole thing a watch at some point.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The entire video is excellent (and helps contextualise the excerpts), though probably a bit much to expect people to sit through. I used to be of the school of thought that “all violence is bad and made equal” until I watched this and did some follow up reading

I watched both of the time stamps you gave and a good chunk of the rest. I do think the video is interesting and thought provoking though I'm not sure it's entirely relevant? It's talking about political violence. Hand on heart, do you think the incident in the OP video is an example of the type of political violence being discussed in that video?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I watched both of the time stamps you gave and a good chunk of the rest. I do think the video is interesting and thought provoking though I'm not sure it's entirely relevant? It's talking about political violence. Hand on heart, do you think the incident in the OP video is an example of the type of political violence being discussed in that video?

No, but I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that this man has either directly or indirectly been exposed to and influenced by racist ideology. And while an old man sitting on a bus may not be “building fascism” per se, it’s this kind of insidious (and yet direct) racism which mustn’t be left unchallenged.

If I’m being honest, do I think punching him was necessary? Probably not. Do I understand why they did? Yes. Do I particularly care that’s the course of action they chose? No, not really. I shared the video more because I noticed the “all violence is bad and never acceptable” argument cropping up, and thought it was relevant to illustrate that that argument is founded on a lot of false equivalences. I think it’s an interesting topic in its own right.

[Ramsay]

Lesson learned

[Jigs]

Talk **** get hit
Age is just a number

[Samm]

should of thrown him off the bus when an incoming trunk was on it’s way

[Oliver_W]

One crime or immoral act shouldn't be used to justify another, especially when it's coming from a weak old man who can be ignored.

[Denver]

Who decided to reincarnate the Dinosaurs