[arista]

[bots]

the answer to that is simple Arista, people like Morgan ignore the restrictions

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the answer to that is simple Arista, people like Morgan ignore the restrictions

I am so annoyed that he got away with swanning off at Christmas even if 'technically' it was within the rules, it certainly wasn't in the spirit of lockdown, he is shameless

[Vicky.]

Well yeah, vulnerable categories safeguarded against severe infection would definitely help a lot, especially NHS/other health system wise. A few mornings ago I was watching bbc news (something I have avoided for months actually..) and they were saying they were expecting to have everyone over 18 vaccinated by june. Which seems a bit..wasteful to me. Can't see that happening, maybe they are saying that to calm the younger people who are panicking and it will all be a bit 'ok, we have done it' once the vulnerable are sorted..I do think it will be a requirement for foreign travel though for most places..which is not that different to needing malaria jabs and stuff.

I would think that the 'actual plan' IS just to do the vunerable, as really, you cannot avoid a small amount of death completely, nor should we try to eradicate death IMO which some seem to be expecting. The issue is the NHS. If we can get it all to a level where the health system can function, that will be 'good enough'. What we have currently is loads dying of stuff that wouldn't usually kill them, because all resources are taken by covid patients. So now things that were not deadly before, can be.

The june thing..sounded fantasy for the whole country though, and just an hour later this was changed to 'all over 18s by september'

There was also a bit of attitude towards Israel and the implication they are not doing well with their vaccine rollout, yet..they have 25/100 people done apparently, while we are on much lower ..obviously we have a higher population, but it did come across very..sneering which seemed daft.

I seemingly cannot convince my mother in law that she should get the vaccine. She has declined so far, partly because of hearsay around her street. One of the women had it a week or so back, and said she was told 'if you feel a bit spaced out for a few days, dont worry, thats normal'. I am 100% positive she misheard/misremembered this, but it seems to have worried the people round there, which are mainly elderly/ill as its basically a form of sheltered housing the place she lives. Things like that certainly do not help matters, though I doubt she did it on purpose. Result of her spreading that about, seems to be half the street dropping out :S

That said though, my mother in law was not too keen on the idea to start with (though she gets the flu jab every year..) as she had covid ages back now and didn't even know she had it, despite being one of those that..to look at you would think would at least be hospitalised. She remains convinced, regardless of how many scientists say a vaccine is still needed, that natural imunity will be good enough. Her neighbour telling her to expect weird side effects cemented it in her. I have said that while it does appear getting it again is extremely rare, its clearly possible. Also it looks like usually a second infection..is not as bad as the first, but the potential is there for her to get it badly a second time, even if unlikely. I now feel I am just lecturing a nearly 70 year old woman..so just leaving her to it. But I do wnder how many 'vulnerable' are actually taking it up. The same bbc news thing, they had some health guy on and he was asked how good the takeup rate was. He gave a politicians answer, and it was something like 'shielding people who have not seen their families since march are very grateful for the advances' or something..which made me worry takeup is NOT very good, as if it was, he would have just said that surely?!

I guess time will tell. It will be 'interesting' to read all the studies and such in 30 years time, thats for sure!

[Vicky.]

Good god, that was an essay and a half. And a lot of irrelevant waffle too really

I thik am storing it all up for when I come on forums, as I dare not post any statuses to do with it, as its divided the country even more than brexit did, and anyone who posts anything, be it that they are a lockdown fan, or think things are to strict, gets jumped on immediately.

Am awaiting a pile on actually, as saying that I did post what I think is my first covid related status this morning. After reading about people kicking off that some shops are still selling clothes. As clothes are not a necessity apparently. like, try having yung children who grow at a ridiculous rate, or speaking to the likes of NHS staff who are working so long/hard that their uniforms are hanging on by threads. Yeah, theres the amazn option, however..my experience of clothes buying on amazon, or online in general really..has been you order a size 14, and it comes 3 weeks later and says 14 but is either a 6 or a 20

I cannot begin to even try working out how its been deemed clothes are not essential, yet takeaway coffee and mcdonalds and such is..

[bots]

My impression is that the take up has been pretty good so far. I think as they go through the categories to those less vulnerable, the take up will reduce dramatically. The idea that we will get herd immunity through vaccination is fatally flawed I think, for all sorts of reasons, so I wish they would stop projecting it as the big solution.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Good god, that was an essay and a half. And a lot of irrelevant waffle too really

I thik am storing it all up for when I come on forums, as I dare not post any statuses to do with it, as its divided the country even more than brexit did, and anyone who posts anything, be it that they are a lockdown fan, or think things are to strict, gets jumped on immediately.

Am awaiting a pile on actually, as saying that I did post what I think is my first covid related status this morning. After reading about people kicking off that some shops are still selling clothes. As clothes are not a necessity apparently. like, try having yung children who grow at a ridiculous rate, or speaking to the likes of NHS staff who are working so long/hard that their uniforms are hanging on by threads. Yeah, theres the amazn option, however..my experience of clothes buying on amazon, or online in general really..has been you order a size 14, and it comes 3 weeks later and says 14 but is either a 6 or a 20

I cannot begin to even try working out how its been deemed clothes are not essential, yet takeaway coffee and mcdonalds and such is..

I think it’s moreso that takeaway food that can produce it under covid reactions is deemed essential, it’s not McDonald’s. And I agree with it. There will be hospital nurse/doctor shift workers and other essential workers working 13 hour shifts and getting a takeaway after working 8am-9pm could be something they require / deemed essential. There are many more examples that could be given for example.

Quite a few of my friends working in the hospital will get a takeaway after their really long shifts as they don’t have the time to shop or cook something and usually the shops are closed by the time they finish, often they get called in on the day or as an emergency so they can’t prepare food in advance.

I do agree with the clothes as well though, they should just restrict the number of people able to enter the shop and have someone who does that, meaning people should expect queues outside shops, And so i agree with you there

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I think it’s moreso that takeaway food that can produce it under covid reactions is deemed essential, it’s not McDonald’s. And I agree with it. There will be hospital nurse/doctor shift workers and other essential workers working 13 hour shifts and getting a takeaway after working 8am-9pm could be something they require / deemed essential. There are many more examples that could be given for example.

Quite a few of my friends working in the hospital will get a takeaway after their really long shifts as they don’t have the time to shop or cook something and usually the shops are closed by the time they finish, often they get called in on the day or as an emergency so they can’t prepare food in advance.

I do agree with the clothes as well though, they should just restrict the number of people able to enter the shop and have someone who does that, meaning people should expect queues outside shops, And so i agree with you there

Oh I agree that takeaways and such should be open..don't get me wrong. Its much easier, and possibly the only option for some keyworkers to just get something in the rare times they are not at work. Its more the...clothes are not essential, you aren't going anywhere!!! lot who are perfectly happy for other 'non essential' places being open as they use those, that are bloody anoying me. They don't need/want to buy clothes, great. That doesn't mean noone else should be able to buy them if needed..not everyone is in the house 24/7, as many have to work, or have other reasons fr leaving the house. And arguably, its not a good route to go down, telling people that if they are in the house, they don't need to/shouldn't wear clothes ever

Technically takeaways, clothes etc could be deemed non essential, but that would make life far too hard for people. All the kickoffs about clothes is reminding me of the huge amount of people in lockdown1, who were screaming that literally only the NHS and carehomes should be functioning. Which even a few seconds of though shows thats bloody nonsense. No buses, no power plants, no internet, no banking, etc?! People actively wanted that and thought it was a possibility? Just seems weird.

The 'essential' argument is an interesting one too, as you could make the argument that most things are essential for some people. My mum brought that up and its true really. She used a bottle of vodka as her example, and I thought she had gone a bit mad at first. But she meant, a bottle of vodka is an essential to someone who is alcohol dependant. They could be fined or whatever for going to the shop just for vodka, but it IS essential to them, else they could end up dead or in hospital. Something like..puzzle books. Sound a ridiculous 'essential' to most, however, I am fairly sure that my mother in law would have hurt herself by now if she didn't buy daily puzzlebooks to keep her mind busy. My brother in law was questioned by police about why he was buying child wellies. Now, this was not essential as such, however he was out to get the normal shopping, he didn't go specifically to get the wellies. Seems..harsh and even counterproducitve to me really sometimes. I totally get not wanting people to go out browsing the aisles for hours just to get out of the house. But picking up a non essential during an essential visit is wrong too..