[user104658]

Originally Posted by Saph

tbf she kinda shot herself in the foot with her "I deserve sympathy" video

She does deserve sympathy but yeah people asking for it themselves is always off putting.

Very on-brand GenZ, though.

[Nicky91]

poor girl


this sort of trouble wouldn't have been if she wanted asylum in my nation

[Livia]

Samantha Lewthwaite didn't get a sympathetic hearing from the public and she's white. I can't imagine anyone wanting her back here.

[bots]

the problem that she has is that she did that TV interview where she showed zero remorse and clearly held the same views years later to the ones that led to her leaving the UK. That can't be taken back

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the problem that she has is that she did that TV interview where she showed zero remorse and clearly held the same views years later to the ones that led to her leaving the UK. That can't be taken back

She's still a relative kid though, bots. Regardless of anything else, she is still our responsibility.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

She's still a relative kid though, bots. Regardless of anything else, she is still our responsibility.

i don't want her back here, i freely admit that, but i do think its pretty dodgy for our government to say, not our problem, she can't come back. Given international law and the precedence it sets, it will come back to bite us at some point

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't want her back here, i freely admit that, but i do think its pretty dodgy for our government to say, not our problem, she can't come back. Given international law and the precedence it sets, it will come back to bite us at some point

I pretty much agree with you. It's about doing the right thing, even when it's not ideal

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

She's still a relative kid though, bots. Regardless of anything else, she is still our responsibility.

She should have been her parents responsibility...who knows, maybe she was!

[Liam-]

She was allowed to be groomed, brainwashed and radicalised on British soil, she was a child that was taken advantage of by extremists, whatever decision she made due to the brainwashing, she is our responsibility

[user104658]

If she has genuinely completely changed her beliefs, which she claims is the case and appears to be the case, and can probably be verified rather easily by experts (she's a 21 year old who has had no formal education since 15 - not Natasha Romanoff) there's no rational reason to not allow her back into the country, and even to consider her worth as a possible asset against Islamic extremist trafficking and grooming.

I would feel differently if she had been an active combatant in ISIS but she was groomed as a "wife" (sex slave and baby producing machine) and kept in a camp.

I fully understand that the general public doesn't understand how brainwashing and grooming works, why teenagers (children) are especially vulnerable to it, and that even people who become genuinely dangerous because of it are still themselves victims in another sense...

...but that's why the general public's opinion shouldn't come into these decisions. But it does, time and time again, not because of safety, not because of science, but because of political populism.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If she has genuinely completely changed her beliefs, which she claims is the case and appears to be the case, and can probably be verified rather easily by experts (she's a 21 year old who has had no formal education since 15 - not Natasha Romanoff) there's no rational reason to not allow her back into the country, and even to consider her worth as a possible asset against Islamic extremist trafficking and grooming.

I would feel differently if she had been an active combatant in ISIS but she was groomed as a "wife" (sex slave and baby producing machine) and kept in a camp.

I fully understand that the general public doesn't understand how brainwashing and grooming works, why teenagers (children) are especially vulnerable to it, and that even people who become genuinely dangerous because of it are still themselves victims in another sense...

...but that's why the general public's opinion shouldn't come into these decisions. But it does, time and time again, not because of safety, not because of science, but because of political populism.

Yup, common sense and morality doesn't come into it. It's just all about appealing to people's lowest vindictive instincts. I'll keep saying it until the end of time but if this situation was reversed and we couldn't deport a terrorist supporter because their country stripped them of their citizenship then the same people who support it in Begum's case would be screaming bloody murder if the shoe was on the other foot.

Regardless of anything else, we can't strip someone of their citizenship, especially when their only other tie to a country is through a husband to which she was trafficked into a marriage in which she was basically a sex slave.

Let her come back, have her face a trial, have her serve out her sentence and try to deprogram any radicalism. Not taking responsibility is a childish response.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yup, common sense and morality doesn't come into it. It's just all about appealing to people's lowest vindictive instincts. I'll keep saying it until the end of time but if this situation was reversed and we couldn't deport a terrorist supporter because their country stripped them of their citizenship then the same people who support it in Begum's case would be screaming bloody murder if the shoe was on the other foot.

Regardless of anything else, we can't strip someone of their citizenship, especially when their only other tie to a country is through a husband to which she was trafficked into a marriage in which she was basically a sex slave.

Let her come back, have her face a trial, have her serve out her sentence and try to deprogram any radicalism. Not taking responsibility is a childish response.

It is and when "the voters won't like it" starts dictating the outcome of diplomatic and legal decisions, the drawbacks of democracy really start coming into focus. The Internet plays a part too, to be honest. A couple of decades ago she'd have been brought back, questioned and given a prison sentence and 99% of the public wouldn't have batted an eye... or probably have heard about it at all.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yup, common sense and morality doesn't come into it. It's just all about appealing to people's lowest vindictive instincts. I'll keep saying it until the end of time but if this situation was reversed and we couldn't deport a terrorist supporter because their country stripped them of their citizenship then the same people who support it in Begum's case would be screaming bloody murder if the shoe was on the other foot.

Regardless of anything else, we can't strip someone of their citizenship, especially when their only other tie to a country is through a husband to which she was trafficked into a marriage in which she was basically a sex slave.

Let her come back, have her face a trial, have her serve out her sentence and try to deprogram any radicalism. Not taking responsibility is a childish response.

So a groomed and sex trafficked young girl should face trial for crimes whilst enduring all that..

That's a bit cruel and sadistic is it not?

[arista]

She is going Live on GMBHD itv
at around 7:15AM From a Syria Live link.

[arista]

Live now on GMBHD itv


Now saying she was groomed
and did not want to hurt anyone?
Saying she made a mistake.


Now saying she did know about the Manchester Bombing
when she spoke about it,
she said at that time she spoke before
she had no internet.

She is now in a better Syria Camp.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

Posting again

[arista]

She says she would go to a UK Prison
if a UK Judge tells her.

[arista]

GMBHD itv have kept the Live link to Syria on
taking 2 commercial breaks

[MTVN]

Bizarre interview. Still seems totally unrepentant tbh - said at one point she did 'nothing wrong' - and almost incapable of any emotion at all apart from self pity

[bots]

i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat

Yes the Health Secretary
who was Home Secretary
says he viewed information on her
that blocks her.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat

Being emotionally flat is usually caused by trauma. Situation is what it always has been; we allowed a child to be groomed online, taken in by a cult, brainwashed, abused and impregnated and now we're like "lol not our fault". She should be brought back here and fully, properly assessed by professionals (not folk on Twitter with 3 C's at GCSE who are now suddenly self-declared body language experts). She MAY be dangerous, we don't know because she hasn't been assessed by professionals. Either way she's our responsibility.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Bizarre interview. Still seems totally unrepentant tbh - said at one point she did 'nothing wrong' - and almost incapable of any emotion at all apart from self pity

Yeah it's always been pretty clear she has no regrets. If she is ever allowed back, no way should she be anywhere but an institution.