[arista]

Originally Posted by James

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

Good Warning there
James.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Both the SNP and Green manifesto stated they would seek a ref in the next term so..

Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifesto commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifest commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.

Gove MP refuses to talk about it
This in a few years
once Covid-19 is less of a problem
it will end up in High Courts
that could refuse her wish


I mean it's not all of Scotland
that will Vote for this.
So Democracy is not in this
in my view.

[Nicky91]

No

let scotland remain under england's control pls


and hope Sturgeon retires from politics, that amateur can't do anything good anyway

[Niamh.]

I don't have any skin in the game but I think because of Brexit they probably should get a chance to vote again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

No

let scotland remain under england's control pls


and hope Sturgeon retires from politics, that amateur can't do anything good anyway

Are you being serious.
Sturgeon is the most competent trustworthy leader of any Party at present across the whole of the UK.

[Livia]

If they go ahead with another referendum and they don't get the result they want again, do they get to do it over and over? Wasn't the last referendum said to be a "once in a lifetime vote".

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[joeysteele]

Democracy should be if the voters vote for Parties advocating change.
Then regardless of how many times it happens, it should be voted on.

That's real democracy.
Shackling people and Nations by one vote only is not real democracy.
I don't support refusing the will of the voters who bother to vote.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Democracy should be if the voters vote for Parties advocating change.
Then regardless of how many times it happens, it should be voted on.

That's real democracy.
Shackling people and Nations by one vote only is not real democracy.
Refusing the will of the voters who bother to vote.

Its Not Democracy
only half to vote.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Not Democracy
only half to vote.

That's ridiculous arista and I'm surprised you say it

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's ridiculous arista and I'm surprised you say it

All I am saying is you would need everyone to vote for it
and so many do not want to be Cut Off.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

All I am saying is you would need everyone to vote for it
and so many do not want to be Cut Off.

Everyone to vote for it.
Did every single person vote for Brexit or just the majority of those who voted.

Did David Cameron get over ,50% of the votes cast in an election to hold the referendum in his manifesto.

He actually won that general election in 2015 with far less voters votes than the SNP got on Thursday.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Everyone to vote for it.
Did every single person vote for Brexit or just the majority of those who voted.

Did David Cameron get over ,50% of the votes cast in an election to hold the referendum in his manifesto.

He actually won that general election in 2015 with far less voters votes than the SNP got on Thursday.

This is Not like Brexit
That's a One only Vote

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

This is Not like Brexit
That's a One only Vote

You may think that.

I can see Brexit revisited in around 12 years or so.
With the losses of the older voters and most newer voters favouring being in the EU.

Even moreso if Labour can be persuaded to adopt PR for elections.

There was only a 3.8% majority after all of those who actually voted.

[smudgie]

If Scotland can afford another referendum then I see no reason to stop them.
Maybe something re how often they could be held put in writing would help with all the mind numbing arguments about it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If Scotland can afford another referendum then I see no reason to stop them.
Maybe something re how often they could be held put in writing would help with all the mind numbing arguments about it.

That's a good idea.
As to time ranges.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[joeysteele]

If that cartoon pic was a real scenario, poor Nicola Sturgeon would be likely wanting a sick bucket for her pronto.

What a nightmare scene for her.

[bots]

if scotland actually want independence they will get it eventually, i can't see what the rush is at the moment just recovering from a pandemic. Nicola can't honestly say that pushing for it now is best for the country

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if scotland actually want independence they will get it eventually, i can't see what the rush is at the moment just recovering from a pandemic. Nicola can't honestly say that pushing for it now is best for the country

yes i guess she thinks well i just won an elction on the SNP ticket so i better say a few positive things about indyref2 but in actual fact she has her First MInister head on and realises that getting back on our feet is the priority

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