[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

Doesn’t work like that.

I very rarely have to use physical restraint so I know the legalities of it....but when I do it’s because the risk meets the need for it.

It has to be reasonable. This means that there is a risk of serious harm to myself, the public or severe property damage. It has to be proportionate, so using a hold would be proportionate whereas kicking someone in the head wouldn’t. Could I use pava spray or would I have to deploy taser for example or a batton gun ....necessary, does the risk presented make it necessary for me to use force or I can I de-escalate through other methods.

A restraint should also be used for the least amount of time. I could go on and write a lot about this, but it’s not necessary.

Having said all this, even though there will be approved techniques, someone is justifiably able to use other means of restraint, such as a kick to th4 head in the most severe situations where there is an immediate threat to life.

This occasion there wasn’t.

[Toy Soldier]

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though .

[Niamh.]

Yeah that makes sense actually TS

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though .

Again, depends on the circumstances. Different settings also use different training, mapa, price, team teach etc. Varies depending on the region or if emergency services can be force wide.

Corkscrew is a good one for releasing someone’s hold on hair.

Requires you placing your finger(s) through the clenched hand and making a corkscrew motion to release.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though .

i used to know someone that worked as a nurse in a secure hospital, and i lost count of the times he appeared battered and bruised.