[arista]

Oliver
I have Posted the Uncut Joke for you.

[Livia]

I don't have a problem with people joking about the Holocaust. When people are required to have what they laugh at, monitored, well... that's a slippery slope. Everyone knows what Jimmy Carr's humour is like, last night on the news they interviewed various people in the street, NONE of whom had actually seem the show. No one walked out of the show because presumably everyone who'd bought a ticket knew what to expect.

What I DO have a problem with, is the pure, unvarnished ignorance of someone who says that the Holocaust what a dispute between white groups... and actually believe that. Whoopi wasn't joking, she believed that sh*t.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't have a problem with people joking about the Holocaust.

Why Not? What’s so funny about it.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Livia

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What I DO have a problem with, is the pure, unvarnished ignorance of someone who says that the Holocaust what a dispute between white groups... and actually believe that. Whoopi wasn't joking, she believed that sh*t.

Im sure Jimmy was not ignorant when he assured his audience his joke would be ok because ‘only 1000s’ of gypsies died in the Holocaust. Not half a million.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by glib

Why Not? What’s so funny about it.

That's not really how humour works, is it.

To be fair I think Jimmy Carr leans a little heavily into "shock humour" which is, if anything, just a bit outdated these days. It's been done.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by glib

Why Not? What’s so funny about it.

Personally,I don't find jokes about the Holocaust funny, but we should be careful about censoring comedy. How far is too far? Who's going to decide?

Comedy versus deep seated ignorance... They're not the same thing.

[Kizzy]

I saw this as in it shines a light on marginalised groups, some it is still shall we say 'fashionable' to mock. The travelling community are being recognised as one of these groups, so to me Jimmy has just picked a scab as it were and it make's us uncomfortable to know many still find themselves dehumanising certain groups who we see as 'not like us'.
The audience were laughing, these are not all the alt right just regular people exposing a bias that like it or not we all possess due to years of social conditioning. So he held a mirror to that, it doesn't mean we all wish harm to travellers but it is an ugly truth that until we are confronted and deal with this like it was/is with other groups then attitudes won't change.

That's the crux of it, it still happens .. don't shoot the messenger.

[Niamh.]

Yes I agree with that Kizzy. I'm not saying he should be censored but he isn't that "edgy or brave" joking about travellers is actually very safe. It wasn't a straightforward Holocaust joke, it was a joke about traveller's, let's be honest

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not really how humour works, is it.

To be fair I think Jimmy Carr leans a little heavily into "shock humour" which is, if anything, just a bit outdated these days. It's been done.

I agree with that, but I did find most of his material in the dark matters video very very funny.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I saw this as in it shines a light on marginalised groups, some it is still shall we say 'fashionable' to mock. The travelling community are being recognised as one of these groups, so to me Jimmy has just picked a scab as it were and it make's us uncomfortable to know many still find themselves dehumanising certain groups who we see as 'not like us'.
The audience were laughing, these are not all the alt right just regular people exposing a bias that like it or not we all possess due to years of social conditioning. So he held a mirror to that, it doesn't mean we all wish harm to travellers but it is an ugly truth that until we are confronted and deal with this like it was/is with other groups then attitudes won't change.

That's the crux of it, it still happens .. don't shoot the messenger.

has he said he did it deliberately for that reason?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

has he said he did it deliberately for that reason?

Oh did he? Interesting.

[Beso]

I've not forgotten the abuse hughie recieved on TIBB for being a traveller.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh did he? Interesting.

no

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no

Oh sorry I misread your post I thought you said he had said that.

I agree with Kizzys points about travellers, I don't agree that Jimmy Carr did it to hold a mirror to the crowd though. I think he just chose a "safe" group to be shocking with

[glib]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh sorry I misread your post I thought you said he had said that.

I agree with Kizzys points about travellers, I don't agree that Jimmy Carr did it to hold a mirror to the crowd though. I think he just chose a "safe" group to be shocking with

Um, he knew it was going to be shown on Netflix?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by glib

Um, he knew it was going to be shown on Netflix?

I meant Travellers being the "safe" group to make that joke about, not the audience

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh sorry I misread your post I thought you said he had said that.

I agree with Kizzys points about travellers, I don't agree that Jimmy Carr did it to hold a mirror to the crowd though. I think he just chose a "safe" group to be shocking with

Are you saying .....If half of Manchester had been slaughtered grotesquely by Hitler's army. If they had won!,Everyone would be fine about in this, in this day and age.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Are you saying .....If half of Manchester had been slaughtered grotesquely by Hitler's army. If they had won!,Everyone would be fine about in this, in this day and age.

I don't know what you mean by that but that definitely wasn't what I was saying no

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh sorry I misread your post I thought you said he had said that.

I agree with Kizzys points about travellers, I don't agree that Jimmy Carr did it to hold a mirror to the crowd though. I think he just chose a "safe" group to be shocking with

So you think the same as Jimmy Carr,

..travelleters are a safe group to ridicule grotesquely?

[Toy Soldier]

I'd go a step further to be honest, it's not that the audience laughs because they're ignorant and think it's fine to mock the travelling community... the part that triggers the laugh is that the audience DOES know that some groups are considered "off limits" and others "not so off limits" and the immediate recognition of that incongruence is essentially the entire joke. To break the joke down and make it unfunny... it's not the community that's being mocked, nor the holocaust, it's the selectiveness and hypocrisy that we all know is very real in society. It's social commentary through satire. I haven't actually seen the show though in order to say if it's done well or not. As, to be fair, the level of skill behind a piece of satire really can be make-or-break as to whether or not it hits the mark.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you think the same as Jimmy Carr,

..travelleters are a safe group to ridicule grotesquely?

The joke is that they shouldn't be but historically often have been. The irony of course is that the spotlight that's been shone on this issue because of this show may well go some way to improving that situation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you think the same as Jimmy Carr,



..travelleters are a safe group to ridicule grotesquely?

What? I was saying that it was cowardly of Jimmy Carr to pick on Travellers because they're the "safe" minority. Am I really that hard to understand?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd go a step further to be honest, it's not that the audience laughs because they're ignorant and think it's fine to mock the travelling community... the part that triggers the laugh is that the audience DOES know that some groups are considered "off limits" and others "not so off limits" and the immediate recognition of that incongruence is essentially the entire joke. To break the joke down and make it unfunny... it's not the community that's being mocked, nor the holocaust, it's the selectiveness and hypocrisy that we all know is very real in society. It's social commentary through satire. I haven't actually seen the show though in order to say if it's done well or not. As, to be fair, the level of skill behind a piece of satire really can be make-or-break as to whether or not it hits the mark.

Spot on..

He used the modern world perceptions, but had to drag up one of the worlds history's worst thing to ever happen to highlight it.

All for the tour called "darkest material"


Yawn!!!

It's not 1970s, Jimmy.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What? I was saying that it was cowardly of Jimmy Carr to pick on Travellers because they're the "safe" minority. Am I really that hard to understand?

You agreed with kizzy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You agreed with kizzy.

I agreed with half of her points